Homosexual Penguins

[Weltall]

I didn't say we know all the facts, we don't... obviously more recearch has to be done, especially on humans. But animals just are not intelligent in the same way as humans...
Some influence from nurture? I never said that that was impossible... it probably does have an impact. And as I've said there are different levels of homosexuality -- it's not an on/off switch, its a continuum...

You just cannot explain it all away with nurture. It's just impossible. Sure in some cases animals have social-based and not biological-based homosexuality, but the same is true in humans -- look at ancient Greece. The existence of some nurture-based homosexuality just proves that nature-based homosexuality exists on a different level of the continuum -- one farther on the line, the ones from who it truly is genetic...

Transsexuals are along a similar line, I think.

I don't get how you divine proof of a genetic cause from this article. It actually specifically questions that more than once in your article. Much of it can be explained by environment, and so little can be explained genetically. As I and others explained several times before, homosexuality is such a practice that genetics tend NOT to be passed down, therefore there's little chance something as widespread as homosexuality could possibly be genetic. If it were genetic, there would be a significantly smaller number of gay people, by the very virtue of how few father offspring. Then there's the fact that sexuality is a behavior, and no particular behavior is ever genetic. Not one. We are born sexually androgynous. Some animals have traits that are used for sexuality, such as pheromones, but humans do not have these.

There's also such little scientific evidence to support it. Has there ever even been a generational study on a genetic possibility, preferably more than two generations? You mention, often, how ancient Greco-Romans were overtly homosexual. Why, then, are their descendents NOT? If it were a genetic trait, this would be an obvious result, as as modern-day Greco-Romans still exhibit many physical traits that their ancient forebears did.

And even if it were a genetic thing, and I'm hardly conceding that it could be, that does not mean one is unchangably tied to it. Take obesity for example. Obesity is a proven genetic trait, yet all it means is that a person is more likely to become fat. There are people who can sit around and eat potato chips all day and be razor-thin, there are others who gain that weight more easily. Yet, even someone with the short end of the genetic stick can avoid obesity by maintaining an active lifestyle with exercise and nutrition. Genetic defects can be overcome. Therefore, I can never accept the notion that even if one day it is determined beyond doubt that homosexuality is a genetic defect, that it forces anyone to adopt the entire homosexual lifestyle.

This kind of does prove that wrong, I would say... Sure natural isn't always right, but there's a little bit of a difference between killing someone and sexuality...

There is a difference in degrees, and in specific outcome, but not in the base sense of behavior: Neither is normal human behavior.

Again, we're not covering any new ground. You're going to ignore the basic rules of biology and genetics that I reference, and respond by saying that I hate gays and that I'm an all-around bigot, and that I'm wrong just because you can't understand how it all works. I'd prefer we skip all that.