25th January 2004, 9:09 PM
As you can tell from the shortness of my replies, I'm getting very tired of this.
Hating? There's certainly dislike among many conservatives for all those (serious) groups, but hating is stronger than that and I think I said 'hate' when I thought it was a major concern... what my focus was mostly there was policies that make those people dislike conservatives, and/or policies that (no matter your personal feelings) are things that those groups do not support and do not like your side supporting. Issues that should keep them from being Republicans, as it were.
Not the amount they do. The huge amounts of ads, among other things, put the lie on the statement that if we paid more fair prices for drugs the whole system would fail.
For one thing there's a difference between a non-profit and a for-profit organization... and for another those groups don't write the laws... if they did Democrats would pass much more liberal legislation on a lot of issues when they are in power.
People who cannot feasibly afford to pay taxes should not be forced into hardship just to pay their unfairly high share of them.
So why argue this point?
Nope. My definition of fairness includes the idea that it's fair for people with more to give more... you can't use one bar for everyone, people (and classes) are too different.
Nobody is unimportant and the system should not fail anyone. That should be the goal -- no one slipping through the cracks and wasting their lives.
Better education is the best solution there. ... but wait, you don't want to FUND better education for low-income areas, you want vouchers which will help make schools WORSE for the 95 out of 100 kids who don't go to private schools! Great idea!
Within its limited applications, welfare is mostly successful. It'd be more successful without people like you trying to destroy it, but it's a great program that definitely has helped this nation.
Oh yeah, and you've gone to great lengths to prove your case, I've noticed!
And making welfare bigger will help poverty because children will get better home lives, thus increasing their chances of success in school, which can lead places. What we need now is better programs for low-income kids going to college, big government subsidies for college tuition, etc... that would make a huge dent, if more low-income people could afford college. If they didn't have to pay much and could work to make some extra money maybe larger numbers of low-income people could go, and with that would be advancement in society...
As for the parents, they should obviously be trying for work of some kind, but shouldn't lower their standards so all they try for is register jobs at part time pay...
Quote:There are a lot of assumptions in there that are simply untrue. Being anti-immigration isn't hating Mexicans. Being anti-AA isn't hating Blacks. Respecting the rights of unborn children isn't hating women.
So no. Your conspiracy theories are just plain wacky lies.
Hating? There's certainly dislike among many conservatives for all those (serious) groups, but hating is stronger than that and I think I said 'hate' when I thought it was a major concern... what my focus was mostly there was policies that make those people dislike conservatives, and/or policies that (no matter your personal feelings) are things that those groups do not support and do not like your side supporting. Issues that should keep them from being Republicans, as it were.
Quote:You do think that. It just so rarely happens that I don't understand why.
And, you have to advertise. That's an integral part of business, of making money. Not that you'd know that.
Not the amount they do. The huge amounts of ads, among other things, put the lie on the statement that if we paid more fair prices for drugs the whole system would fail.
Quote:How is this any different from liberal tax breaks to 'non-profit organizations' that are slanted to the left, or outright liberal activist groups?\
For one thing there's a difference between a non-profit and a for-profit organization... and for another those groups don't write the laws... if they did Democrats would pass much more liberal legislation on a lot of issues when they are in power.
Quote: Sure it would. Poor people would be DYING to get out of poverty so they can start paying taxes! What an incentive!
This is cardinal proof of the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals want to make poor people happy. Conservatives want to make poor people not be poor.
Making poverty enjoyable and bearable will not end it. You have to kill poverty, by hard work and investment. Of course, such ideas are alien to liberals, who are headed by rich people and who want to give everyone else's money away to the poor.
Some charity. Why are there rich liberals, anyway? Obviously they don't mind it that much. It's only rich conservatives that are evil, I guess.
People who cannot feasibly afford to pay taxes should not be forced into hardship just to pay their unfairly high share of them.
Quote: No shit!
So why argue this point?
Quote:Wow. Suddenly, the liberal is AGAINST fairness! Hilarious! You act as though the rich don't already pay inordinately high taxes and the poor as often as not pay inordinately little!
Every post you make, you get just a little more out of this world. We ought to stop this soon.
Nope. My definition of fairness includes the idea that it's fair for people with more to give more... you can't use one bar for everyone, people (and classes) are too different.
Quote:No, but when 80% have it and 20% don't, I don't think it constitutes being considered a crisis. Certainly not one worth destroying our economy by instituting a failed socialist concept.
Nobody is unimportant and the system should not fail anyone. That should be the goal -- no one slipping through the cracks and wasting their lives.
Quote: Because I see you keep continually ignoring the part of my idea where I say that
welfare is okay as a supplement to working people, not as a sole source of income.
I hope that issue is resolved. As for those who use their inability to keep their legs closed as an excuse for not working:
Deal with it. Or starve. I don't fucking care anymore. Give your kids up for adoption if you can't raise them. Stop making them if you can't raise them, because I shouldn't have to pay for that. One of the most widespread and dispicable abuses of the welfare system is people who kept having babies to ensure continued welfare support.
Better education is the best solution there. ... but wait, you don't want to FUND better education for low-income areas, you want vouchers which will help make schools WORSE for the 95 out of 100 kids who don't go to private schools! Great idea!
Quote: Wait a second. It's a total failure. How in the bleeding hell is making it BIGGER going to help it?
Since you used cancer as an allusion once, I will too: What you're saying is akin to telling someone that the only way they'll get better is to let their tumor grow even more!
Making that decrepit monster of a mistake larger is the very last thing we should EVER do. It's ruined enough people already. It needs to get SMALLER.
Ah God, your insanity is making me want to scream.
Oh yes, yet another post without proof. I won't stop reminding you until you pony it up. While you're at it, add in how enlarging the welfare monster will bring people out of poverty. That ought to be good
Within its limited applications, welfare is mostly successful. It'd be more successful without people like you trying to destroy it, but it's a great program that definitely has helped this nation.
Oh yeah, and you've gone to great lengths to prove your case, I've noticed!
And making welfare bigger will help poverty because children will get better home lives, thus increasing their chances of success in school, which can lead places. What we need now is better programs for low-income kids going to college, big government subsidies for college tuition, etc... that would make a huge dent, if more low-income people could afford college. If they didn't have to pay much and could work to make some extra money maybe larger numbers of low-income people could go, and with that would be advancement in society...
As for the parents, they should obviously be trying for work of some kind, but shouldn't lower their standards so all they try for is register jobs at part time pay...