24th January 2004, 6:03 PM
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft97.../mead.html - A decent read regardless of position...
Doing the required research is NOT worth the time to not convince one person who won't listen regardless.
I would say that blacks have gone somewhere from before civil rights, obviously -- note that they can vote... since then? No not as much progress, but given how little has happened to change that it's hardly surprising... oh, and both are definitely helping a lot of people.
The main thing making the situation worse is the constant actions of conservatives like you to get rid of the system of laws that help those people... there's a reason most all blacks are Democrats -- they know that your idea of "help" would be the precise opposite and that the Democrats can help them if they were able. People like you stop most help from actually getting to people, of course, so we'll have to wait.
And your standard tactic of saying that all poor people are lying scum mooching off the poor rich people who shouldn't have to deal with such trash because they couldn't help themselves do the impossible sure doesn't ingratiate you among any group other than the wealthy and the stupid, that's for sure. Because you'd have to be in one of those groups to believe something that dumb. It is just simply not true in any sense.
History proves how totally wrong your ideas are, that's what it proves.
I agree gangsta rap culture is bad, but not about the cause...
Quote:Translation for the audience: "I still have no proof whatsoever to back up anything I say, therefore everything I say is irrelevant."
Doing the required research is NOT worth the time to not convince one person who won't listen regardless.
Quote:It did take a long time. But it happened. And after almost four decades of liberal social programs, two generations by some people's reckoning, blacks still aren't 'over it'. Their lot doesn't improve at all. No progress.
It's not that I can't see how affirmative action and welfare could succeed. They could very well have achieved the intended result. They just haven't. Miserably haven't. Another good idea in theory, bad idea in practice.
I would say that blacks have gone somewhere from before civil rights, obviously -- note that they can vote... since then? No not as much progress, but given how little has happened to change that it's hardly surprising... oh, and both are definitely helping a lot of people.
Quote:Again, this is the priveleged college kid speaking. What the priveleged college kid thinks is that these do-gooder programs work. What the priveleged college kid can never explain is why more and more black families are broken, why more and more black kids fail school, why violence among blacks is increasing, why black culture is disintegrating, why other ethnic groups surpassed them, and how affirmative action and welfare are doing a damn thing about fixing these problems.
It's like, you don't care that the problems exist and are getting worse. The only thing you care about is that you people attempted to do something about it, even if it was the wrong thing to do. You think that gives you some imaginary moral high ground, and that everyone who disagrees is racist and intolerant.
I am intolerant. I'm intolerant of lying morons taking credit for helping people while only making their situation worse.
The main thing making the situation worse is the constant actions of conservatives like you to get rid of the system of laws that help those people... there's a reason most all blacks are Democrats -- they know that your idea of "help" would be the precise opposite and that the Democrats can help them if they were able. People like you stop most help from actually getting to people, of course, so we'll have to wait.
And your standard tactic of saying that all poor people are lying scum mooching off the poor rich people who shouldn't have to deal with such trash because they couldn't help themselves do the impossible sure doesn't ingratiate you among any group other than the wealthy and the stupid, that's for sure. Because you'd have to be in one of those groups to believe something that dumb. It is just simply not true in any sense.
Quote: History vindicates me. I've shown why, and you haven't denied it.
History proves how totally wrong your ideas are, that's what it proves.
Quote:...what? I don't really get what angle you're trying to get at here. It seems like you're almost saying "You're wrong, I agree with you."
I agree gangsta rap culture is bad, but not about the cause...