Why liberals should never be in power...

[Weltall]

3% of the Maine population is minorities. However, it's a poor (and rural) state and there are a lot of poor white people...

So how does that give you better insight into the 'suffering' of black people?

Blaming current black culture on social programs is just so utterly idiotic that there isn't much I can say... the two have nothing in common. And programs like AA are the very things that if allowed to work as they should will eventually help blacks out of their current condition. Doing nothing and letting them suffer is cruel and it is prototypical conservativism that wants the people on the bottom to suffer. That is such an immoral position that I can't even begin to say how wrong it is! Helping poor and disadvantaged groups is the only way we can get it so that eventually they are not poor or disadvantaged anymore. Nothing else will actually help them.

This is hilarious shit. You are so not on planet earth.

The fact that black culture's decline started after the civil rights movement is no coincidence. But don't let the facts distract you from your little dreamworld. I suppose you just missed the whole part about the myriad of ethnic groups that thrived despite not having affirmative action. Hell, it seems like only those that DO benefit from it are bad and getting worse.

I make a new point and you ignore it and repeat yourself... typical.

So I'll repeat mine.

I ignored that point. It was so stupid that it didn't warrant a response. It still doesn't.

[/quote]I think that sums up why your "it was fine before" arguement is total idiocy.[/quote] The only thing it sums up is how stupid it is to compare racial relations to cancer. But I'll play your game.

Affirmative action is supposed to be a cure but in the end makes things worse. Ethnic groups achieved more success without it than with. Again, I provided several good examples of this.

Happy?

Hispanics and Blacks, again, are quite different. Hispanics are indeed in the 'latest opressed immigrant' group like Irish were at one point, or Chinese, or myriad other groups. Given enough time they probably will Americanize and blend in as well as a group that has a distinct identity (and isn't all white) can... but Blacks? They've been here since the beginning and on the bottom the whole time. It's in the interest of conservatives like you to keep them there, so you try to kill all the programs that might get them out. Simple.

This is crazy. What gain would I have keeping blacks poor? Who could possibly gain from that?

Liberals.

Keeping blacks poor and destitute ensures that liberals have a very safe voter base. To keep them poor, they create social programs, disguise them as beneficial, and the scam plays on. Blacks stay poor, Liberals not only have a loyal fanbase but something to blame Conservatives on.

In our last argument you said the same bullshit, that conservatives wanted to keep the poor poor. I asked you to show me how welfare made poor people stop being poor. You never provided me this information.

Now, I show you how assimilation benefits ethnic groups better than affirmative action has. You say I'm wrong. So, in what will almost certainly prove futile, I ask you to prove how Affirmative action helps minorities become equal moreso than the non-intrusive, non-discriminatory assimilation methods that brought practically every ethnic group that isn't black or hispanic to equality.

I know you won't do it, I just challenge you like this because your refusal to follow up shows that your words are meaningless lies.