Combat Ranting (formerly known as Famicom Mini)

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No, they just don't make enough money to feed their family (and at least pay the minimums on their bills) without the food stamps.

That doesn't change the fact that the money comes to them for nothing. There's no reason at all why able-bodied people should not give back to the society that has been giving them a free ride for so many years.

If someone goes to the emergency room no doctor could refuse to treat them and call themselves ethical. And yes, the hospital has to pay for their care... it is definitely a big problem and one for which the best solution is expanding health care so that fewer people are uninsured. I'm not sure which plan is best, but all the Democratic candidates have plans for this and any of them would be a huge, huge help on this and all the other issues related to problems because of the uninsured.

Oh yeah, and it'd have the side benefit of reducing the strain on emergency rooms because when you have health insurance you don't have to wait until you're falling down ill to see a doctor, and thus wouldn't have to wait until you need an emergency room to go to the hospital...

Er, it's people that use emergency rooms needlessly that causes Virginia's problems. There are no such restrictions here.

Massively unbalanced wealth distribution is a huge problem. CEOs should not be getting massive raises while they cut jobs and services for their employees, that is absurdly unethical and probably should be illegal. And those people in that top 5% that do have 47% of this nation's wealth should be paying a huge percentage of the taxes, and not be getting ridiculously large tax cuts like they are getting. And as I said being 'poor' IS relative to your society. Poor people are poor because in modern American society they do not make enough money to be considered middle class. And because they don't have enough to live comfterbly in this society -- pay their bills, afford food all the time, etc... again, relativism matters a lot here, but it's hardly the only reason to say that your act that American poor people are doing fine is pure lies.

So basically, you're advocating communism. It's not fair that some people are rich and others aren't, so no one should be rich and no one should be poor. Guess what, that idea never really did work in practice.

Again, our poor, in relation to poor people in the rest of the world, live like kings. When is the last time you hear of American people starving to death, or having to hike miles for clean water? Last I heard, among poor people obesity is a much more prevalent problem than starvation or malnutrition was. It's common knowledge that the stats in that study are true.

As I said before, I think deep down you know what you're saying is silly, it's just this strange liberal guilt you feel because you aren't poor and others are.

Oh, one comment about that stupid thing about poor people... I could make more but for now just this. Poor people work less than full time hours? Oh what a shock, I am absolutely amazed... I mean, companies NEVER hire lots of part-time workers so that they can get around paying benefits, nope! Nuh-uh!

Oh yeah, and "Welfare-to-work" (Clinton's program to empty welfare rolls) is a failure as a social program. All it does is gets people off welfare rolls and into low-paying dead end jobs... just what they didn't need to have a chance. Yes, it's reduced welfare rolls a lot, but at the cost of hurting a lot of people... what we need to do is actually try to improve things for them, not just force them into low paying, often part-time jobs.

I just don't get you. You seem to think it's better a person be on welfare and not work at all than it is for them to work.

Several times in this thread I've asked a question you refuse to answer:

How does welfare help poor people stop being poor?

Surely you can at least pretend to fix the holes in your logic. Then again, as history has shown, you're all talk and no substance. It doesn't matter that what you say cannot be substantiated, so long as it's said and there are people stupid enough to believe it.

By the way, you still never showed me any proof that most poor people are starving single mothers of multiple children juggling multiple jobs, or something similar.

I mean, I'd be surprised if you found any such proof. But the least you could do is try. It makes your arguments seem all the weaker when you don't.