15th December 2003, 2:28 PM
Quote:Point 1: You're right. Virginia has always been a relatively clean area. Thus, I have no use for environmental controls.
I do wish they'd commit to converting coal to nuclear power already though.
So it's fine that we get stuck with polluted air and MTBE in our gas because, mainly, of Midwestern power plants because you don't have that problem? Great reasoning there...

Bush at one point this year even paid a visit to one of the worst offending power plants pushing his energy plan that lets such plants expand without increasing pollution controls even if they as a result pollute more... thankfully that bill hasn't gotten through...
Quote:Point 2: Yes, the war started long before we got involved in it. But it was Johnson who got us in there en masse, no doubt about that. And, the planning and execution of that war was horrible. My dad reminds me that, when our fickle media reminds us that almost 200 casualties have occurred in Iraq in the last eight months, that 200 casualties were suffered in single DAYS in Nam. He tells me of how he and his friends feared Nam more than anything in the world, and that he's very thankful that he wasn't called over.
Johnson, by the way, didn't abstain from re-election out of regret for his decisions. He simply realized that he fucked things up so terribly that even trying would be a waste of time and money.
The funny thing is, preventing the spread of communism was a very noble goal, but in the end, we didn't need that war to do it. It's too bad we didn't know that communism would have collapsed under it's own weight a mere 25 years later.
You're right, Johnson didn't run again because he knew he'd never win, not because he was sorry to have gone in. And yes, it would have helped to know they would collapse but there's no way to know those kind of things...
And yes, of course Vietnam was worse than Iraq. The opposition had control of an entire country and very strong support from both most of the surrounding countries and a lot of the people in South Vietnam... in Iraq we have lots of problems, and the nations around have people in them helping the terrorists, but not the governments, not openly at least. They couldn't, the US now is too strong...