30th November 2003, 7:43 PM
Quote:You guys just aren't getting it. You keep saying that Nintendo is the biggest developer in the world or something, and therefore they should have every feature imaginable. It doesn't work that way. It has nothing to do with size. Having more people working on the game will not make it better or finish it faster. You can choose to believe that I might know what I'm talking about since this is what I do AND this is what other, much better and more experienced programmers also say, or you can ignore it and believe what you think is true even though it's not.
This started off because I was frustrated with ABF complaining about lazy programmers, and then I tried to explain that more programmers is not the answer. I'm not saying that Nintendo couldn't have done it, I'm saying that none of you know how to do it either so stop trying to pretend that you do. Your "solutions" are things that are covered and dismissed in the first week of any software engineering class. That's not something you would know, but when I try to explain it so you will understand you don't listen and just repeat the same nonsense. Never mind, I don't know why I bother. You are obviously right because you want to be, and it doesn't matter what anyone else says.
Uhh, you don't say anything in that post really... nothing that gets us anywhere, anyway.
Lets see if I can tell your main point.
-you aren't game programmers so you cannot judge how much programmers can get done for a game. Okay, so I have to be a painter to be an art critic? A musician to be able to criticize music? No! This point is irrelevant... we may not work in game development places (though I know OB1 has taken quite a few programming classes), but its not like I don't know anything about this industry... and you do not make a point. Uh, are you agreeing with DJ that you think they didn't do it because they thought it wasn't worth the effort? If so, say so. Because in this post you don't actually take a position, you just rant about stuff...
And if adding people to a team never helps how come the teams always increase as they get to crunch time and have to finish the game? But anyway,that's different... something like this would be put in earlier I'd think. Sure, they had a lot to do... but so much that adding something as basic as bots in battle mode? You don't present any case here that defends Nintendo for doing that! None! (and that's because there isn't one...)
Okay, so adding more programmers might not speed up development. Yeah, I can see that in some cases... but how does that excuse them leaving out such a huge feature? I mean, I'm sure a big team worked on Double Dash! Yes, they had a lot to do, but as I said... if they had WANTED that feature they definitely could have found the time (with or without increasing the size of the team). Are you trying to deny that they could have done it or something? I don't get you at all... it's kind of hard to respond to that in relation to adding game features because you're barely talking about it...
I'm sure Nintendo worked hard to finish DD. They just decided to not put in some of those little extra touches that add huge value to a game but seem relatively simple... like bots. Or Stunt Mode in the Rush games. :)
As for DJ's post... I wouldn't be as annoyed if Nintendo said "we tried to put in bots but just ran out of time", or "we couldn't get them good enough in time for launch". But they never even mentioned it as a possibility. That's different and shows that as OB1 said Nintendo has forgotten somewhat about the little things...