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[A Black Falcon]

Great rebuttal!

Uhh... your two statements said the exact same thing, so why should I write two seperate responses?

"wrong". Again, great rebuttal!

No matter how many caps you use, the fact remains that MK, F-Zero, and Gran Turismo are all a part of the same genre and share more similarities with each other than Empire and Wars. Of course they're very different from each other, that only further proves my point. But they do share more similarities to each other than Empire and Famicom Wars. That is a fact.

I can't think of any way that anyone who has played those two games could even consider that. Not even remotely.

Ooh, so in AW your guys can move and attack farther. That is not something that changes its genre. Neither is having a different resource model -- many strategy games have different resource models in the same subgenre. The fact that all cities build units? Sure, that's a big difference... but still its not totally different since only cities on the coast build ships (and 6 of Empire's 8 units are ships). So I completely fail to see anything that even remotely resembles a huge genre gap between those two like between F-Zero, Mario Kart, and Gran Turismo. Or Myth, Warcraft, and Rise of Nations...

How about instead of insulting me again you give "reasons" for your position. That's all I've been asking for for some time now but all you do is keep insulting me... it makes me think that you -A) haven't played a lot of the games I mention -B) don't have a solid case to defend and/or -C) don't have a solid grasp on what these games entail... feel free to prove me wrong, but more rants about how idiotic I am will not accomplish anything except make me think even more that you don't have any objective here except insulting me.

Your constant bashing is unhelpful, unwarranted, unwanted, and inexplicable... I keep trying to present a case and all you do is say "no you're insane thats so dumb you are so wrong" without actually presenting much of a case and then bash me very strongly for doing something you are almost certainly doing worse! Its getting very old...

Gee, perhaps I said that because you mentioned the fact that Empire draws its ideas from old board games? Try thinking more, ABF. It might help.

Umm, but I was talking about Empire in relation to Fire Emblem... what does Gran Turismo have to do with that? Of course racing goes back a long time, as do wargames... so as I said there we should focus on the topic of strategy/war games that meet the qualifications of this subgenre. You mean like something related to your point on Mario Kart... uh, could you explain it? You've spent a lot of time in this thread bashing me for things that only you can see, but not much actually explaining your position on the issue we are supposed to be discussing... its getting really tiresome... and its hard to respond to your arguements when you barely explain them because of how you spend five times more space attacking me. Give a arguement that is clearly thought out and presented like I think mine was and I'll be able to reply... but so far the isn't really much of a debate. All you seem to be saying right now is that you are so obviously right that you won't even deign to actually respond to my post... but until you do that I can't reply, obviouslY! How am I supposed to "rebut your arguement" when your arguement is just that I'm an idiot for not seeing that you are right?

HOW do Wars and Empire differ more than Mario Kart and Gran Turismo?

HOW did you manage to interpret my statement of the medium-level differences between Empire and Wars as "very different"?

I just completely fail to see how you even begin to say that statement about how Wars and Empire are more different than GT and MK. Makes no sense whatsoever -- as I said in my last post. But did you answer my question? NO! You just attacked me for not seeing your point! Gee, thanks for clearing up why you think what you do!


Oh, and I know that you'll say I'm being hypocritical for attacking you for attacking me... but there's a difference -- I am not attacking your positions. That's because I don't understand them! All I'm trying to say here is that I don't see why you spend so much time attacking me for things I mostly don't think are problems while expecting me to understand your barely existant points... your heavy focus on attacking me confuses me. I don't see it as even remotely warranted... I didn't do anything to deserve this... and as I said all I want is to talk about the issue! Why must you make this into a personal bashing thread? I don't want that or appreciate how you try to make everying into statements of dislike... can't you just read what I say and reply to the subject at hand? That's all I'm asking! Seriously, that's all I'm asking here.