5th November 2003, 2:46 PM
Hey-- before we continue this, be aware that this is precisely the kind of thing that I said we should stop because it scares people away. Let's keep the quotes to the minimum and finish this off, alright?
It has the potential to be useful, but right now it's only making things more expensive and complex than they should be.
I'm talking about an E-Reader and Mario 3 cards.
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Holy crap, that's actually a good idea! Nintendo could just include levels and powerups in their first-party GC discs, or better yet, demo discs!
On the contrary, it's because of my extremely high level of admiration and devotion to Nintendo's software that I am able to look at them this way. It's like a parent who loves their child but wants them to be as successful and intelligent and they possibly can be.
No you don't, and what you just said is exactly what I said! This thread is about looking at what Nintendo is doing wrong about online gaming and connectivity, so that is what I am discussing. They get plenty of praise in other threads. You've lost sight of this fact, becoming too defensive.
About a handful of those games make real good use of the connectivity, but most of them are pretty useless.
Even Animal Crossing's GBA Island Mode could be done in-game. It's still cool, but it doesn't add a lot to the game.
They're making the decisions now, not in 2006. That's what I'm worried about, as they still haven't changed their stance on online gaming.
That's exactly why I'm so cynical about this!
Quote:Nintendo does like unique schemes, but I wouldn't say its just to promote its product... that's certainly part of it but they just like to be different. That's where I think the E-Reader comes from 'gimmick' to me makes me think of a more cynical, 'I want attention' reason for making it... which might well have been part of it but I don't think it was the main reason. Its just a unique product which can do some intresting things...
It has the potential to be useful, but right now it's only making things more expensive and complex than they should be.
Quote:Its certainly extremely expensive, and that is a major downside... but still. "Twice as much as the game itsself"? Huh? You going to buy $60 in Mario 3 cards?
I'm talking about an E-Reader and Mario 3 cards.
Quote:And its the only way right now for Nintendo to do a true add-on to a GB game. There's no net service to upload from so how else would you do it? GC discs full of Mario 3 levels?
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Holy crap, that's actually a good idea! Nintendo could just include levels and powerups in their first-party GC discs, or better yet, demo discs!
Quote:No, they just aren't that cynical. You are so much so that on some issues you hardly look like a Nintendo fan...
On the contrary, it's because of my extremely high level of admiration and devotion to Nintendo's software that I am able to look at them this way. It's like a parent who loves their child but wants them to be as successful and intelligent and they possibly can be.
Quote:No, for me it depends on the issue. In some ways I certainly think Nintendo is quite dumb because of their extreme conservatism... you are extremely negative about a whole lot of things Nintendo does. I am about a few things, but I think that Nintendo isn't that bad and that a lot of what they are doing is good...
And if you read that I think that a lot of the things they have used connectivity for are bad. Just like the Transfer Pak stuff, that kind of usage is just so lame...
As I said, its a tool with a extremely limited use. I think it'd be a lot better, actually, if it was over the internet since then you wouldn't have to rely on only people you know with GBAs to play against... you could play online with anyone with both GC and GBA. That'd be better than their current usage of it for sure...
And of course only a few types of games really would seem to work with that 'i have a hidden screen' thing, in a real, important way. For those it should be used since that sounds like an interesting gameplay dynamic. In others it should not.
Does Nintendo love money? Of course! So do all sane companies! Do they do as much as possible to make as much money as they can? Yes. Makes sense, when you think about it... they just are too conservative about taking risks. Making fifteen thousand Pokemon clone games I can see, and releasing 'unique' stuff like the E-Reader, Transfer Pak, GB-GC link cable, etc, etc like they always do... yeah they make Nintendo money but they have some vague idea of added gameplay value (well not Pokemon, but the cables and stuff...)... they just need to realize that some things that don't make as much money are good ideas because of their affect on the consumers... such as including DVD players, such as making the design of your system look professional and not like a toy, such as a net service, a hard drive, etc...
I acknowledge their flaws, for sure, but give them and their products more credit on the whole than you seem to.
No you don't, and what you just said is exactly what I said! This thread is about looking at what Nintendo is doing wrong about online gaming and connectivity, so that is what I am discussing. They get plenty of praise in other threads. You've lost sight of this fact, becoming too defensive.
Quote:Really, that many games? I didn't know that...
So the question is, in how many games is it a real feature and in how many is it a lame way to unlock stuff? And how many of those features that are added are really worth mentioning?
About a handful of those games make real good use of the connectivity, but most of them are pretty useless.
Even Animal Crossing's GBA Island Mode could be done in-game. It's still cool, but it doesn't add a lot to the game.
Quote:If by '06 they've wisened up to needing a internet service I'm pretty confident that they'll have some kind of massive media storage for the system. Since the other two will have it by then it'll just be too big a feature to leave out...
And by '06 I think even Nintendo will have wisened up to netplay. Oh, sure, they could dissapoint me easily... but I'm hopeful they will have by then. And as I said if they do net, not having a harddrive would just be idiotic.
They're making the decisions now, not in 2006. That's what I'm worried about, as they still haven't changed their stance on online gaming.
Quote:Well they are messed up... that makes no sense. Connectivity has such a huge hassle in gathering people and systems... using the GBA link cable in 'net games would be fine, but calling that an alternative to netplay? What in the world?
That's exactly why I'm so cynical about this!