24th September 2003, 12:53 PM
Quote:Dude, I forgot what we were talking about. I don't remember all this crap.
*sigh*
What do you not understand? We started an arguement then you totally lost the subject... as this makes clear. Its really a quite odd arguement, with you misunderstanding or not understanding almost every single thing I said...
First, smilies often mean 'not serious'... or not wholly serious.
You're lucky I'm willing to waste my time doing this... :D
Scrolling down and copying each quote, one at a time, takes quite a while.
My original comment that brought this on...
Quote:Nintendo also targets older gamers some (all the SNES ports, strategy and RPG games...)... just not mainstream older gamers like Sony will. And that works very well for them... better than the 'aim younger' strategy does for main consoles, so clearly there is more of a market for this stuff in younger agegroups...
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Quote:That's completely false. Even Nintendo admits that they target the Gameboy towards kids. That's also why there isn't a single M-rated title available for any of the Gameboys (or there might be one M-rated game). The PSX became super-popular because Sony got people who would never touch a video game into gaming. They targeted non-gamers and adults, which is why they're #1 right now. They will try to do the same thing with the PSP, and much like the console industry before the PSX arrived, the handheld gaming industry is dominated by Nintendo and targeted mainly towards kids.
I'd also like to note that the reason why the GBA SP looks less like a "toy" and their ads are more mature is because Nintendo is trying to get more adults into handheld gaming.
Quote:Sorry, but there are a few M-rated GB games... not many, sure, but there definitely are some. Not many, true... but some. But because of the technology in the GB systems some games that are M on other consoles are T on the GB...
And yes, Nintendo is also trying to get more adults into handheld gaming... I don't know if its working. It might... but I'd just think adults wouldn't be as likely to use handheld systems (in a handheld setting, of course, anyone could use any system at home...). Oh, I'm sure plenty would... but is the untapped message as large as the one the PSX opened? I doubt it.
You responded to the first paragraph of this onto the line about mature GB games, but didn't respond to the second part which is relevant here.
Then later (in a response to GR I believe) you started this line with this comment.
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Quote:Yes, the SP was definitely a step in the right direction for Nintendo. But according to ABF the GBA was already targeted towards adults so why did they make the SP look like less of a toy and target their ads towards an older demographic? Hmmm?
Quote:So you finally admit that Nintendo's target audience for the GBA isn't adults. And that last line of yours doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense. "Trying to attract a market that isn't particularly drawn to an established console"... uh, that's kind of the point of the word "attract". You get people who aren't already playing the games to come to the system, since attracting people who already have Gameboys is kind of a stupid thing to do. You want to get the people who don't already have a Gameboy to buy one.
Quote:I don't really know, that's why it sounds confused...
'finally admit'? Huh? Of course the GBA's target market isn't adults! When did I say differently? There is a side market of specific older gamers, but not most mainstream ones... I do think I've said that before... only older Nintendo fans and people who like 2d games would really like GBA games, I'd think.
Quote:When I said that the Gameboy was targeted towards kids you tried to deny that.
Quote:Not really, I said the main audience is clearly kids but there is definitely a older market there too. Not by any means anywhere near as big as the kids' market, but it does exist.
Quote:Mainly just the Nintendo faithful.
Quote:True, though not only, because of the large number of RPGs... Nintendo fans aren't exactly the only ones who like those. [quote]
[quote]Whaaa?? Why do you think so many flocked to the PSX??
Quote:That was NON-SERIOUS. Read it again... I said that the GBA has lots of RPGs and thus it has a larger audience of older gamers than just Nintendo fans!
... they just need to like 2d gaming.
I thought that that comment was pretty clear...
Quote:Uh, the SNES had more RPGs than the GBA currently does.
Quote:I don't think we understand eachother here...
SNES had lots of RPGs.
PSX had lots of RPGs.
N64 did not have lots of RPGs.
GB/C had some RPGs but not lots.
Therefore most console RPG fans went to PSX, or at least got one.
Now, GBA gets lots of RPGs.
Hmm, I wonder if the market for the GBA is larger than just remaining hardcore Nintendo fans...
Quote:What?
Quote:That was as clear as it could possibly get. If you still don't get it...
Do you need the whole quote tree posted here TOO? Why are you not getting simple statements?
Quote:Dude, I forgot what we were talking about. I don't remember all this crap.
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Whew... done. :)
Quote:Yeah.
No comment? :)
Quote:Semantics. Only time will tell.
True.
Quote:No, you definitely have to give Sony credit for making games popular to the mainstream. They are completely responsible for that.
And it did take the Playstation a while to become popular, so now it is very popular which is why the PS2 sold like mad from day one. Same thing will happen with the PSP.
But PC games got more popular too during that timespan and I'd hardly credit Sony for that... I agree they had good marketing, but it was mostly exploiting a growing market, not creating that market themselves.
And I agree that the PSP will sell well initially... but to a market that will endanger the GBA anytime soon? I doubt it.
Quote:"slightly"? They'd have to completely remake the PSX games to make them look good against the original PSP titles.
You underestimate the power of the low budgets and short deadlines that the handheld industry always works in!