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    6th August 2003, 1:58 PM
    Quote:You mean Russia, Greece, Serbia, and other nations around there, right? That's not "fifty people"...

    No, I mean the Church of Constantinople. There is no one united Orthodox church. There's the church of Athens, of Antioch, of Moscow, of Serbia, of Bulgaria, of Jerusalem, of Egypt... and they're all independent of each other. The only one who I suppose could still bear a grudge other than the walking-dead church of Constantinople is the church of Athens, but I don't know if they still claim Istanbul for Greece. Either way, the idea is idiotic and got lost in the 1920s, when Greece was defeated during its invasion of Turkey.

    As for ASM, I insist that you do not talk about things you obviously have no idea of.

    The Arabs never sacked Constantinople, and certainly didn't end the Byzantine empire. Constantinople fell twice in its history: once by treachery during the fourth crusade in 1204 (to the crusaders) and once in 1453 to Sultan Mehmet of the Ottomans, when the crusades were well over with. The closest it came to falling to the Arabs was during an attack of theirs by the sea; they were repulsed with heavy siege weapons and Greek fire (a powerful weapon likened to napalm, whose exact composure has been lost today; it is thought to have consisted of naphtha [a highly volatile liquid derived from oil], and perhaps saltpeter [gunpowder]).

    Alexius Comnenus, the emperor of the East, did call upon the west to help him during the encroachment of the Seljukid Turks, but this was counted by the Church as just another bogus reason to send away their most quarrelsome young men. The Latins certainly didn't feel Europe was "threatened"; whether the schismatic Orthodox or the heathen Muslims controlled Constantinople mattered very little to them. They were both just heretics doomed to burn in the flames of hell. During the very first crusade, the one led by Peter the Hermit and Walter Penniless, the crusaders actually sacked and plundered more Byzantine villages than they did Muslim villages.

    Quote:As for reducing population while thats what did happen eventually I seriously doubt they would toss off their labour force like that especially if its a time when desease kills off alot of people their gonna need some people left to replace them.


    Labour force? Do you think knights work? All knights do is fight and make war. The problem was that the trend for noblemen in those times was for the eldest son to receive his father's land, and the other sons were to simply be given weapons and armour and sent off to wander. By 1099, these wandering knights had become a real problem in that they set off more shit than they fixed; this was increased exponentially by the conversion and settling of the Normans (former Vikings) in southern Italy and France, the Magyars in Hungary, etc. The first official crusade in fact had a very heavy contingent of landless Normans, who were then regarded as the most bloodthirsty warriors of all Europe.

    Saladin certainly was a great warrior and did play a great part in the end of the Crusader states, but before he came to being the crusaders dominated Palestine for a century.

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