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    28th January 2003, 10:04 AM
    Conservatism is the stuff that when later generations look back on, they think 'look how backward those people were!' Like us when we look at the Catholic Church's Rennaisance persecution of people who said the earth wasn't the center of the universe.

    Quote: The typical leftwinger position is that we're on the verge of destroying the world, despite much evidence to the contrary. While enviro-nuts piss and moan about global warming being our fault, a single normal-sized volcanic eruption causes more damage to the ozone layer than humans have in our entire industrialized history... and yet even though Volcanic eruptions have been happening a few billion years, we still have an ozone layer completely intact. And despite the fact that we've been able to take scientifically accurate global temperature readings for all of a half-century, enviro-nuts seem convinced that this period of global warming couldn't possibly be natural... even though evidence shows climate shifts of even greater magnitude have occured sequentially for billions of years. Nature does far more damage to this planet than we do, and the Earth always recovers. We're not, short of total nuclear holocaust, even remotely capable of destroying the entire world due to pollution.
    Um, that just isn't true. Pollution is helping to cause global warming. Global Warming IS ocurring. That is a scientific fact that no one (not even President Bush, who was forced to admit it) can deny. Over the last century the earth has warmed up... more than just nature explains.

    And of course that ignores the whole issue of pollution and the great damage it is doing to the earth. Here's an example. Here in the Northeast, we have a pollution problem. Maine, actually, has some high air pollution in places... much of the state was forced to have to have gasoline additives (MTBE I believe) to try to lessen pollution. Of course, its not OUR problem... like the whole Northeast, it is the result of pollution blowing to us from Midwest coal power plants and the like. They have the pollution generation and smokestacks... but they are very tall, so WE have the problem. Great. Oh, and did I mention that Bush wants to WEAKEN the regulations on those plants? Thankfully, 8 or 9 Northeast states (all the way down to Maryland) have sued the federal government to try to stop that awful removal of even more legislation... I just hope they win.

    Quote:Wow, look at that. Dr. King, the most famous civil-rights activist in American history, was opposed to affirmative action.


    Do you HONESTLY think Martin Luther King Jr. would have been against Affirmative Action? I sure doubt it because that just wouldn't make sense, given how almost EVERY black leader (including the ones in the administration now, like Colin Powell) support it...

    Once the races are equal in opportunities and in the eyes of the people choosing people, affirmative action won't be needed. But like anti-discrimination legislation (you can't fire people becasue of age, gender, religion, etc) it is needed to make up for that unfairness. Without affirmative action, many of those people wouldn't get in, many because they just didn't have the same opportunities as white people get... it really is needed to make up for the inherent unfairness of the system as it is.

    Quote: The richest 1% of America pay almost 20% of all taxes the federal government collects, far more disproportionate to income than the other 99%!


    And you know what? They have and make so much money that they SHOULD be paying at LEAST that much and probably more... because they are rich they should be paying more! Of course conservatives disagree... but any "reasons" why are bizarre. Perfect example here.
    Quote: And when the rich get tax cuts, that enables prices on commercial goods and services to decrease, and jobs and wages to increase, which ultimately benefits everyone, especially the poor.
    Um. Yeah. Right. That works just as well as 'trickle-down economics' did for Regan -- NOT AT ALL! The fact is, wealth doesn't trickle down. The conservative economists may wish or think it does, but it doesn't... I think that the Reagan administration and its incredibly big increase in the debt (didn't it go from very low to over a trillion?) proved that...

    Oh, and poor people make less so they shouldn't pay much if at all. Tax should be fair, so the more you make the more you pay... and it is, mostly. Well, unless conservatives get their way and gut it...

    Quote:Don't lower gas prices benefit the poorest people best? Oh, I forgot: wild animals are more important than people. Sorry.


    Honestly? I wouldn't mind if gas prices went up two, three, or 4 times... you know, so it would be as expensive as it is in Europe (where prices are in general 3 to 4 times higher at the low end...). Maybe THAT would get fewer people to buy those awful SUVs and make car companies to make more energy efficient and hybrid cars faster...

    Quote: Bottom line: Iraq broke UN resolutions repeatedly. Therefore war is fully justified. And that the UN seems to be perfectly complacent with it's own statutes being violated is proof that the entire organization is useless. The fact that historically the UN has almost never been effective notwithstanding, the US and Great Britain are the only UN Members who give a damn about enforcing it's rules and regulations, and we comprise just about the UN's entire military force. We are the only useful members in the organization. The rest of them are pitiful, decadently-socialist pantywaste nations who are socially bankrupt, economically invisible and militarily nonexistent, and who want to continue the policy of appeasement that did France and Britain a great deal of good when they did the same to Nazi Germany. If the UN won't do their job, someone has to.

    Yes, Iraq isn't really cooperating. Still, that doesn't make a war justified... in this case almost nothing would short of actually finding nuclear material or something... The war was created by Bush, egged on by Bush, and now is about to be started by Bush. If not for his obsession with Iraq, I bet that it would be minor issue now... but Bush has to make up for his father and get more oil, so he created the whole issue out of nothing when a convenient excuse -- "terrorism" -- came along. It doesn't really fit, but given that its just an excuse, it shouldn't...

    Oh, and the UN has been effective before. And just because most of the world is opposed to war in Iraq (unless only the US and UK governments count in the world, that is) doesn't mean they are weak... it means they are sensible governments that listen to the people and do what the people want. Note that France, Germany, and the whole Middle East (Turkey for example) are opposed to war... mostly because the people in those nations are. The English are mostly opposed too, but that government is going to war anyway... in the US there are more for war, but still as I said not near a majority without UN support. A good government would listen to what the people want... Bush never has so he sure won't start now.

    Quote:Of course, your average American liberal hates America and almost everything it stands for, so it's no wonder they're opposed to the war. A recent liberal anti-war demonstration featured a mosque leader chanting the Islamic Murder slogan Allahu Akbar, and called America the root of all evil and the real terrorists of the world, while a group of brain-dead liberals cheered emphatically. That should make any sane person disgusted, but liberals are incapable of shame.

    Oh come ON. Liberals don't hate America any more than Conservatives do... just what this administration stands for on almost every issue.
    Yeah, there was recently a antiwar demonstration in Washington. It attracted 200,000 or 300,000 people, while the one in San Francisco that day attracted over 50,000. And most of them probably wouldn't agree with statements like that... though there is some truth to that quote. Its not really true, though. There are many nations more evil than the US... though with our power, Bush is able to accomplish a LOT more bad stuff than most of those people. We aren't truly evil, though.

    Quote:Meaning that you support people being able to make bad decisions and erase the consequences. Did you know that abortion rates are decreasing every year? Now that 3D ultrasounds are possible, mothers-to-be see not a clump of lifeless cells but a forming human being in their womb... and more and more they're deciding not to abort children. That makes me very happy, especially since it required no law or statute.

    Let me ask you this: What is your position on partial-birth abortions? Is it okay to kill a child that is aware and very capable of feeling pain?
    Abortion is really important... it always happened legal or no so legalizing it makes it much safer. Plus, it really is a very important right.

    Before someone is born they are NOT A PERSON. Conservatives want it to be made so that unborn fetuses are declared children, but they aren't people until they are born...

    And partial-birth abortions? I think they will be made illegal in congress because it has the support. It is unfortunate, because it gives the anti-abortion lobby a toehold in its fight to destroy abortion... this is first, but whats next that they will do? It really is a slippery slope... and a bad one...

    Oh... one more thing I've mentioned before. North Korea. If Bush was TRULY fighting "Terrorism" he'd be making FAR more of an effort to stop North Korea... or to find Bin Laden, for that matter. But he isn't and is clearly hoping that the Korea issue can go away until he finishes with his little private vendetta against Iraq satisfactorially. Great.
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