It's unfortunate...

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Originally posted by A Black Falcon
If everyone got full vouchers then private schools would be different from public in one way only: no national standards. And that wouldn't be a good change...

Oh, there would most definitely be standards. Those schools will be fighting for those kids to get into their school, they can't help but have higher standards unless they really don't care about money.

Sure, money isn't the whole answer. But it goes a LONG way to helping with the problem. I can't see how you can deny that students in a school with all the things I mentioned wouldn't be more motivated and would do better than ones in schools without them... it makes no sense... yet its your position. Huh?

You really come across as someone who never really experienced the world. Were you a rich kid from a private school? Pompous liberals often are. How easy is it to concentrate on schoolwork when you have good reason to fear for your life while you're there?

As for behavior I wouldn't say its a big problem in most places.

Okay, now I REALLY don't believe you ever attended public school.

Okay.

*School should be boring and dull and only cover things directly useful to the real world. Check.

So we should get rid of history, philosophy, Latin, non-local foreign languages, etc, etc? Great idea! None of them are that useful in careers either, after all! Just like sex ed and multicultural programs!

History, philosophy and languages all have real-world applications.

And we should use the old, inaccurate history of the world so that we can protect our Western European biases into the indefinite future. That sounds like such a great idea too... I mean who cares about accurate history? Its far better to do history as America-firsters see it!

The old, inaccurate history of the world is infinitely preferable to the new, even more inaccurate history of the world that considers us to be a race of evil and terror, whereas everyone else was kind and benevolent. Suddenly America is genocidal but Communist Russia and China are not.

And actually wanting other racial groups to stay as a unique group withing the societal whole? Silly late 20th century idea... we should go back to the good old days of Ellis Island and forced name changes because they are hard to pronounce, and ... discouraging ... the speaking of native languages and doing rituals?

Yippee!

Why should we adapt to foriegn customs? Other countries don't do that for us! If you move to a foreign nation, you should learn to adopt their language and customs as your own.

History is, and always has been, my favorite subject in school. The thought of changing history to suit your Western European tastes is an awful one...

So instead we'll change it to demonize Europeans. They did nothing worthy of praise and lived only to destroy. Wonderful idea.

I mean that the kids don't think they learned anything from it. But they did... and it WILL help them, whether they admit it or not.

What did you learn from it? I sure didn't get anything out of it except a few new vocabulary words. My dad taught me more in one day than I learned in five years of school-based sex ed. Maybe your parents weren't competent enough to teach you, but that doesn't mean everyone's are.

There is no way to respond to such an idiotic statement in any other way.

DEMOCRATS DO WHAT THEY CAN TO GET MONEY FOR EDUCATION.
REPUBLICANS DO WHAT THEY CAN TO CUT IT.

And you try to imply that Republicans are BETTER on education because the Democrats cut education to give to other programs?

You really ARE insane...

You missed the point. Again. Why do I bother?

Taxes and direct payments are very different things.

Yes. Taxes are usually wasted. Direct payments are not.

How does that relate, exactly to, say, DLN's statements on this issue?

Didn't think so.

I wasn't responding to DLN, I was responding to you. And you obviously have no clue.

If they'd had a media like we have they would have a far worse problem than us because of their lack of official teaching on the issue.

They wouldn't HAVE a media like us, because people back then would not have allowed it. Unfortunately, the liberals came to power, and then the media went to shit.

Ah, so we can all learn to say "sir" and "ma'am" like all you nice polite Southerners?

No, so you can say "sir" and "ma'am" like polite and respectful human beings. Instead kids today call authority figures such wonderful things like bitches and motherfuckers to their face. Certainly a welcome alternative to sir and ma'am, right?

That's such a funny thing... I know a few people from the south and its like they do it by instict, but there's no reason for it I can see...

It's called civility, you moron. It's called showing people respect. How can you possibly say it's a bad thing? You really are nuts.

Oh, and its not like schools don't try to do some of those things...

Then all hope is not lost.

That its not taught especialy well (a big part of that blame are all the schools that can't talk about contraception because of rightwingers who would sue them) and that students have far more influences on them now.

Of course it's not taught well. NOTHING is taught well anymore. And it should not be taught at all by schools. But contraceptives are ALWAYS talked about, and there are very few rightwingers who object to it.