It's unfortunate...

[Weltall]

Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Its probably somewhat of a factor already, but it should be made more important... because affirmative action exists to make up for our unfair society and most of the ones in the unfair category are poor minorities. But poor whites probably should benefit more too... not as much as minorities (because they don't have to deal with the less powerful but still there in many circles color barrier), but its there and they have trouble with these things too.

But we do need affirmative action as well because that wouldn't make up for the whole difference. In the future it might become less useful,

Oh, and given your opinion on poverty I'm suprised you'd support this...

I am in support of the poor recieving help to step out of poverty, not the current welfare system that keeps them there, getting money for no work. Obviously such an idea would be an extra incentive for those to work or school themselves. This would help children grow into productive adults instead of perpetual welfare leeches. Why would I be against that?

No, no, I have nothing against sending your children to whatever school you want... the problem is state funding of a religious institution. The federal government should NEVER be paying catholic private schools! That is a blatant preach of the seperation of school and state and the fact that it is allowed now in some fashion is a very bad sign for the future of upholding the constitution... yeah, its true -- a bit of it still does exist, despite so many attempts to the contrary from right-wing Republicans...

Oh give me a break, you fool! It would be a church/state issue if the government gave people the money and forced them to attend parochial schools, but if they give parents the money and let THEM decide where to go with it, then that is circumvented! Hell, by that logic every welfare and social security penny that ends up in a church collection basket is indirect government funding of religion, and that of course is hardly a violation of church/state.

Even with that aside, you're still putting your stupid anti-religion views ahead of the needs of children, which makes you a hypocrite every time you blast Republicans for not caring about education. Of course, liberals don't either, and their opposition to vouchers is proof.

And saying that liberals degraded our schools is laugable. They most certainly did not. Liberals always try their best to fund the schools as much as possible, as opposed to the conservatives who want to cut school funding as much as they can... its absolutely absurd to blame anything on liberals when its Republicans who cut school budgets so relentlessly, Republicans who instituted that stupid No Child Left Behind Act which has hurt more than it has or will help, and brought us to the point now where they now want to "fix" the problem by letting all the better students leave those schools and have the state pay for them to go to catholic school.

I don't think so.

And like the typical liberal, all problems can be solved by money, right?

Funding is hardly the only problem with our schools. Lower education standards are a much bigger issue, which is a liberal-created problem designed to artificially advance children so that their self-esteem isn't hurt. This explains why there is an unacceptable amount of high-school children who can barely read at half their level.

Take for example, Florida. There is a standardized test required for graduation in Florida. A student must make only a 40% grade on this multiple-choice test to pass, and they have five attempts in which to pass it. 90% of children pass it, 10% do not. Liberal interst groups in Florida are demanding that the test be eliminated because it hurts the college and career prospects of those 10%. The liberals want them pushed along even though they lack fundamental and basic skills and have no chance in the workforce or in college.

And that's to say nothing of the abhorrent liberal history revision, which apparently is now to include no reference to God out of fear of offending someone, despite that God has a very, very significant prescence in world history, whether you believe in Him or not.

And these are two extremely major issues that all the funding in the world twice over can't fix. The damage is done and can really only get worse. That's why my dream is to see education become completely privatized, with the government as merely a supervisory role. Then, standards will rise, education quality will rise, funding would be plentiful and liberals will be far less able to screw it back up.

Public education is another rotten remnant of liberal failures, and getting rid of it is the best way to cure its problems.