This is sooo gay

[Sacred Jellybean]

Eek, Weltaii, cut that bolding out, it hurts my eyes.

I haven't recently participated in this argument for a few reasons, mainly being busy with school and not having the motivation to do so. I've got all the free time in the world now, though, so I might as well post my opinion.

I still don't have an opinion as to whether homosexuality is genetic or not, nor do I care. I must admit, the idea sounds silly, and since there's no conclusive evidence on its existence, its a pretty worthless debate tool.

I do, however, believe that homosexuality isn't a choice. I at first was surprised by such opposition to the belief, but then I realized our definitions of homosexuality are different. My definition is feeling strong sexual arousal to members of the same sex, NOT the act itself. It's common sense that no one is obliged to act out on every thought process they come across (if this were the case, I would have broken my room mate's guitar over his skull a long time ago). When I say that homosexuality isn't a choice, I don't mean that there are gay zombies walking the earth, uncontrollably walking to their next fuck buddy and unbuckling their jockies. Sexual urges can most definately be repressed (someone should tell that to Catholic priest rapists).

Seeing as how I've had NO successful experience with *making* myself be attracted to something or someone, I have no clue what Weltaii is talking about. I've had friends who have liked me for more than a friend, yet I wasn't attracted to them in that way. I could think they were a great person, kind, fun to be with, but for the simple fact that I'm not sexually or romantically attracted to them, we couldn't be together. Now, if I COULD be in such control... well, that would cure my whole loneliness problem! Another aspect of mind would be more efficient and another part of life would be much less strenuous and complicated.

I think if I had the choice, I'd be sexually attracted by guys. They're just so much less complicated and more easily understood than women. However, I don't have the ability to make such a choice. I've been interested in the idea, but there's simply nothing there. I don't like other boys in that way.

As for the male-to-male prison sex-- although I'm no expert, I'd explain that as being shallow sex, only performed to satisfy sexual urges, with no romance involved. Think about it: you can reach orgasm by stimulating your own genitals. Does that mean you're attracted to yourself, or your hand? Of course not! It's an act performed to gain sexual relief, which is why prisoners often get raped by inmates. Now, if a prisoner willingly spread out his ass cheeks for another man to probe, I'd say he's gay, or perhaps a masochist, since it's much harder to achieve an orgasm that way and requires a deeper sexual thought process.

This is speculation, yes, but aren't we all just speculating? BTW, Weltaii- I think what Nintendarse meant was that while the links you provided show that there isn't any conclusive proof that the homosexual gene exists, it still doesn't state that it's impossible or unlikely that the homosexual gene exists- just that there isn't any concrete evidence. I didn't read them myself, but I think that's what Nintendarse meant.

Now if you are willing to suck another man cock for some booze or weed then you are Gay , Normal Hetrosexuals would rather comit suicide then do that. Clearly these men are either really desperate or Gay.

Desperate, yes. Necessarily gay? Of course not. I'm a heterosexual (at least, I'd consider myself such, seeing as how I'm not attracted to other men), yet I wouldn't rather commit suicide than fellate another man. Perhaps I just value life more than the average heterosexual... but I'd put my money on just feeling less homophobic.

On the second note, I do not believe gay people deserve some of those rights by virtue of the choice they make. I do not believe in gay marriage, as marriage is an union between a man and a woman that creates a family, and is a very important thread in the fabric of society, and allowing homosexuals to participate in that tarnishes the morals upon which they were founded. I really do not care if they can fight or not (which is a special right actually, and discriminates based on sex and age, i.e. women cannot become combat soldiers, nor can people over the age limit).

I don't see marriage as a special right, I see it as a right that should be protected by every person. There are rights held by married people that shouldn't be withheld from homosexual lovers. The idea of civil unions used in Vermont is also a good idea, which allows homosexuals the opportunity to obtain those rights.