This is sooo gay

[A Black Falcon]

This debate rapidly gets shorter as Weltall answers more and more points with insults. It'll burn out in not too long... why can't you take serious replies seriously?

What? I'm not following.

In Europe somewhere. The Catholic church denied marriage between two people because they said that they would not have children (because of the possibility of passing on a genetic disorder), and in the bible it says marriage is for making babies.

They're hurting the children they have. Little Timmy will be so popular when his chums find out he has two daddies. Little Timmy will end up on a shrink's couch by the time he's 20.

Only if he has "friends" who think like you.

It's so evil to want to preserve morality

Proving my point. That's exactly what I'd expect you to say, given that you fit right into that category.

There is very little a person cannot control. Even if a person has homosexual urges, there is nothing forcing a person to act on them.

There is a huge diffrence between how homosexuals feel and how heterosexuals have occasional small 'urges' like you mention. A very, very big difference. You will refuse to admit it, but nothing I've ever heard has said anything else. HOMOSEXUALS DO NOT JUST HAVE "LITTLE URGES" WHICH THEY THEN FOLLOW, WHILE IGNORING HETEROSEXUAL ONES! PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY HOMOSEXUAL DON'T HAVE ANY MORE (and possibly fewer) 'URGES' TOWARDS THE OPPOSITE GENDER AS THE AVERAGE HETEROEXUAL DOES FOR THEIR GENDER!

That is fact.

Who's to say why animals do that? Why don't you ask one?

So you deny that animals are homosexual, even though it has been an observed behavior in some animals? Huh? That makes no sense!

It's very simple. There is no preset attraction code. None. As you go through life, your idea of the perfect mate will change, sometimes radically. And attraction is a pretty selective deal for most people. You're not going to be attracted to every man or every woman, there will be particulars involved, and I believe gender is simply another one of those myriad of particulars. I don't believe anyone is born pre-programmed to only like people of a particular gender anymore than I think people are pre-programmed to like redheads or long legs.

Sure, everyone has their own idea of who they find attractive. That is true. And no, its probably not genetic... I don't know how that happens. But when you are attracted to someone you know it -- you have absolutely no control over the mere act of being attracted to them. So genetic or not, its not something that people can control... you are either attracted to someone or you aren't. Sure, you can then think it over and with other factors decide what to do (or, more likely, not do), but the attraction? Not under your control. And especially not in puberty, when you are first realizing these things... yet homosexuals (when not repressed) start realizing that they are attracted to the same gender at that early point.

Sure, your opinions will change as you get older... that's to be expected! But this is at a much more fundamental level than that. Its not like just changing between different traits in the gender you find attractive, for sure...

Wait, I said that homosexuality is a physical thing, you're the one telling me that a person is gay if they think about it but not if they actually do it. You're all about the state of mind.

And what I'm saying is that there's no proof at all that it's genetic and for you to keep saying so is not helping your stance at all. We don't know for sure whether it is genetic or not, but there is no evidence supporting the theory, so please, stop using the argument. It's baseless.

As I said before, your definition of homosexuality is fatally flawed when applied to "reality". It has nothing to do with sex... its not exactly state of mind either. Yes, your state of mind is part of that, but you have that state of mind because of how you realize you are... which goes back to much more basic things then "how you feel now".

That's right. But they are NOT homosexual or bisexual if they had the urges and never acted on them.

You have such bizzare definitions of those terms...

Again, you're arguing with completely unsubstantiated hypotheses, and I'm not going to respond to anything else about it.

Ah, so your unproven hypotheses with no real-world backing are better than my unproven hypotheses with lots of factual proof that says that they are right, at least in part. Got it.

I don't see at all how this relates to the portion of my post that you quoted.

I do in fact refer to ugly people, but repulsion is on the same tier as unattractive. The difference is that repulsion is very strong unattraction.

And my point is that no one does have sex with people they find repulsive, and I can't think of anyone who has sex with people they find unnattractive unless there's an ulterior motive involved.

Did I ever say lots of heterosexuals do this? NO! I said few would! People generally don't kneep doing things when other ones provide a better alternative... but it is possible. Rare, I'd expect... but possible. I just don't see how you think that heterosexuals can physically not do such a thing.

Seems like a direct reply to me...

I cannot think of one single plausible theory that could explain how genetics could affect who a person is attracted to. The idea is so nonsensical it blows my mind how anyone could believe it.

I can't think of why not... genetics control a very wide variety of things...