This is sooo gay

[Weltall]

Originally posted by A Black Falcon
First, Netscape is the best, and doesn't crash much. What did you do?

So, Weltall, you agree with the Catholic Church when it said that a man and woman who said they were not going to have children could not be married as catholics? Same thing as homosexuals!

What? I'm not following.

Who cares about if they have children? And more to the point... who cares, since in many cases they adopt children? I can't see how they hurt anyone's morals. If they are happily married, and have children (or not, that's a purely personal decision), who are they hurting? How are they destroying world morality?

They're hurting the children they have. Little Timmy will be so popular when his chums find out he has two daddies. Little Timmy will end up on a shrink's couch by the time he's 20.

Oh yeah, radical rightwingers who are paranoid-homophobic. Right. Can't forget them!

It's so evil to want to preserve morality :(

Even if it wasn't a genetic thing (but was something else that causes it to happen that the affected person has absolutely no control over... since it is very, very obvious based on all the observation anyone has ever had that that's a fact...), I don't see how that would change anything.

There is very little a person cannot control. Even if a person has homosexual urges, there is nothing forcing a person to act on them.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Da...90422.html

And those articles do show one thing: So far we have no definite proof of where, exactly, homosexuality comes from. We just don't know yet. All we have is what homosexuals can say... and what they can say, almost universally, is that it isn't something they decide, or they think about and choose, or anything of that nature. Its just something that, as they go through puberty, they slowly realize... it really is that simple. Of course because of our extremely homophobic society a lot of them deny it and hide it, which causes them a lot of problems later on, but that's not their fault... that's society's problem.

The fact that so far science is pretty much clueless doesn't mean you are right. True, it doesn't mean that its genetic either... but you can't use that as proof you are correct. And in the abscence of proof how it happens, I'd say that all of that about how gay people just KNOW (in most cases from the very beginning of puberty, they just don't realize it) is pretty important.

As for people who are living a homosexual lifestyle but could go and be with the other gender, either they are heterosexuals who for some reason are living the other lifestyle (curiosity? I have no idea why...), or they are bisexual. They are not homosexual, except to people with definitions of the word as twisted as yours.[/quote]

Well, as I said, we've mapped most of the human genome and no gay genes have been discovered. Once it's fully mapped and none are found, as I am very certain will be the case, I can be vindicated then.

I've brought this up multiple times before. Weltall has no real good answer for it (what is he going to say? That these animals have awareness and are smart enough to decide something like that? Er... NO!), so he pretty much ignores the point.

Who's to say why animals do that? Why don't you ask one?

As usual I ignore the responses that are purely insults. Why must you spend so much time insulting me?

Because you spend so much time earning them.

I can't see any way you could believe that people can control to that degree who they find attractive. Somewhat... maybe. But not anywhere near the extent you are suggesting.

It's very simple. There is no preset attraction code. None. As you go through life, your idea of the perfect mate will change, sometimes radically. And attraction is a pretty selective deal for most people. You're not going to be attracted to every man or every woman, there will be particulars involved, and I believe gender is simply another one of those myriad of particulars. I don't believe anyone is born pre-programmed to only like people of a particular gender anymore than I think people are pre-programmed to like redheads or long legs.

I didn't change anything! It IS a genetic change or mutation or something!

Self-delusion again?

"state of mind" sounds like "i thought about it and my state of mind is now x" which is what YOU are saying, not me... what I'm saying is that its a genetic thing that you just ... realize ... at some point, generall puberty but sometimes later.

Wait, I said that homosexuality is a physical thing, you're the one telling me that a person is gay if they think about it but not if they actually do it. You're all about the state of mind.

And what I'm saying is that there's no proof at all that it's genetic and for you to keep saying so is not helping your stance at all. We don't know for sure whether it is genetic or not, but there is no evidence supporting the theory, so please, stop using the argument. It's baseless.

But you said that if any heterosexual ever has sexual relations with any other man ever in their lives they are homosexual or bisexual, period...

That's right. But they are NOT homosexual or bisexual if they had the urges and never acted on them.

I guess, but you defined 'physical' as something else, which I don't really agree with. Its genetics, with probably some other factors involved as well. No one is sure what, exactly, but environment might play a small role. Not much of one, but maybe a small one. And only to people already predisposed towards it.

Again, you're arguing with completely unsubstantiated hypotheses, and I'm not going to respond to anything else about it.

Did I ever say lots of heterosexuals do this? NO! I said few would! People generally don't kneep doing things when other ones provide a better alternative... but it is possible. Rare, I'd expect... but possible. I just don't see how you think that heterosexuals can physically not do such a thing.

I don't see at all how this relates to the portion of my post that you quoted.

Huh? There is only one kind of homosexuality. Its not a thing about action or anything -- its about who you are and all that that I've already said ten times. The act itsself (and people who do it because of whatever category of sexuality they are in) is totally different.

Wrong. If you believe that then you have to believe that a person can be a murderer for merely thinking about the deed. Actions make a person, not thoughts. Actions speak louder than words, as I'm sure you've heard once or twice.

Since we don't know the cause, its easy to think of all kinds of genetic explanations that allow for bisexuality...

I cannot think of one single plausible theory that could explain how genetics could affect who a person is attracted to. The idea is so nonsensical it blows my mind how anyone could believe it.

Maybe its possible, but it'd be ridiculously rare. Its much more likely she's bisexual or something... why would I know?

I don't know. Maybe you're gay or bi and you understand these things better than this silly old homophobic heterosexual. Are you?

Sure, over time you can convince yourself of near anything. That is certainly true. And sometimes when you convince yourself of something funny things happen... its really odd that state of mind affects your health, but it does seem to for some reason. Of course I don't know why some people have strange sexual attractions... and I really don't know how it happens. It might be genetic, but I'd doubt it... but until we map the whole genome (and actually understand what it all means), you can't rule out anything 100%. :)

But I'm talking about how when you look at people and get an instant reaction about how you feel about them sexually. That isn't something you can control... well you can try, but you can't fully control it.

If you couldn't control it, you would start viciously humping the first attractive human being you came across right away, so overtaken by sexual urges that you would be.