This is sooo gay

[A Black Falcon]

First, Netscape is the best, and doesn't crash much. What did you do?

So, Weltall, you agree with the Catholic Church when it said that a man and woman who said they were not going to have children could not be married as catholics? Same thing as homosexuals!

Who cares about if they have children? And more to the point... who cares, since in many cases they adopt children? I can't see how they hurt anyone's morals. If they are happily married, and have children (or not, that's a purely personal decision), who are they hurting? How are they destroying world morality?

Oh yeah, radical rightwingers who are paranoid-homophobic. Right. Can't forget them!

Even if it wasn't a genetic thing (but was something else that causes it to happen that the affected person has absolutely no control over... since it is very, very obvious based on all the observation anyone has ever had that that's a fact...), I don't see how that would change anything.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Da...90422.html

“The vast majority of gay people will tell you that same-sex orientation is an innate part of who you are and is not changeable,

And those articles do show one thing: So far we have no definite proof of where, exactly, homosexuality comes from. We just don't know yet. All we have is what homosexuals can say... and what they can say, almost universally, is that it isn't something they decide, or they think about and choose, or anything of that nature. Its just something that, as they go through puberty, they slowly realize... it really is that simple. Of course because of our extremely homophobic society a lot of them deny it and hide it, which causes them a lot of problems later on, but that's not their fault... that's society's problem.

The fact that so far science is pretty much clueless doesn't mean you are right. True, it doesn't mean that its genetic either... but you can't use that as proof you are correct. And in the abscence of proof how it happens, I'd say that all of that about how gay people just KNOW (in most cases from the very beginning of puberty, they just don't realize it) is pretty important.

As for people who are living a homosexual lifestyle but could go and be with the other gender, either they are heterosexuals who for some reason are living the other lifestyle (curiosity? I have no idea why...), or they are bisexual. They are not homosexual, except to people with definitions of the word as twisted as yours.

that it is the inherent nature of males to screw females for the survival of the species, but what makes animal homosexual behavior unnatural?

I've brought this up multiple times before. Weltall has no real good answer for it (what is he going to say? That these animals have awareness and are smart enough to decide something like that? Er... NO!), so he pretty much ignores the point.

I was thinking of just leaving the quotes part alone... but just couldn't. :)

As usual I ignore the responses that are purely insults. Why must you spend so much time insulting me?

You agree with your own misinterpretation of it. Raw sexual urges are the type that you're born with, I.E. the very urge to have sex. That's all you're born with. You acquire the urge to have sex with whatever later in life, and that's when sexual urge is no longer raw.

I can't see any way you could believe that people can control to that degree who they find attractive. Somewhat... maybe. But not anywhere near the extent you are suggesting.

You changed the definition of sexuality to support your argument. At first you claimed it was a sexual mutation of genetics or whatever, now it's a state of mind that you're born with, which also somehow is genetic. The fact that such a thing is scientifically impossible doesn't stop you from making an ass of yourself.

I didn't change anything! It IS a genetic change or mutation or something! "state of mind" sounds like "i thought about it and my state of mind is now x" which is what YOU are saying, not me... what I'm saying is that its a genetic thing that you just ... realize ... at some point, generall puberty but sometimes later.

Oh sure, homosexuals can have straight sex and vice-versa. I have always believed that and never said anything to the contrary, except when I applied your own argument to it. If sexuality were genetic, there'd be no way to circumvent it. I believe it can be, and is circumvented because there are no genetics to get in the way. It's your own argument you're shooting down here.

But you said that if any heterosexual ever has sexual relations with any other man ever in their lives they are homosexual or bisexual, period...

Biology is physical, you moron.

I guess, but you defined 'physical' as something else, which I don't really agree with. Its genetics, with probably some other factors involved as well. No one is sure what, exactly, but environment might play a small role. Not much of one, but maybe a small one. And only to people already predisposed towards it.

I do in fact refer to ugly people, but repulsion is on the same tier as unattractive. The difference is that repulsion is very strong unattraction.

And my point is that no one does have sex with people they find repulsive, and I can't think of anyone who has sex with people they find unnattractive unless there's an ulterior motive involved.

Did I ever say lots of heterosexuals do this? NO! I said few would! People generally don't kneep doing things when other ones provide a better alternative... but it is possible. Rare, I'd expect... but possible. I just don't see how you think that heterosexuals can physically not do such a thing.

How is physical homosexuality not homosexuality? Why does mental attraction control this when physical attraction have nothing to do with it? Again, I can't see how you could say this without laughing at how retarded it sounds.

Huh? There is only one kind of homosexuality. Its not a thing about action or anything -- its about who you are and all that that I've already said ten times. The act itsself (and people who do it because of whatever category of sexuality they are in) is totally different.

If that were true, even if it were genetic, bisexuality would disprove it. Those people are attracted to either. Genetics don't stop them at all.

Since we don't know the cause, its easy to think of all kinds of genetic explanations that allow for bisexuality...

It doesn't happen that way because it's not ingrained in a person to be that way. It's not impossible to change your sexual orientation. Remember Anne Heche, Ellen DeGeneres' lesbian lover? She turned straight and seems to be enjoying it.

Maybe its possible, but it'd be ridiculously rare. Its much more likely she's bisexual or something... why would I know?

I said that you can't control HAVING sexual urges. You can control who you have them for. If you think it's impossible to convince yourself that a person is unattractive, you are sadly mistaken. Attraction isn't just purely sexual, and though that's just common sense, it's something that apparently has evaded you. You will likely not be attracted to someone who doesn't bathe themselves, or is fat or ugly, even though they are in the gender you're attracted to. I believe gender is not a catalyst, it's just one of those many factors that help determine whether a person is attractive to you. And if you're going to try and tell me that the odd person who is attracted to fat or ugly people is attracted to them because of a genetic trait, I'll tell you not to post in this thread again because you're just wasting my time.

Sure, over time you can convince yourself of near anything. That is certainly true. And sometimes when you convince yourself of something funny things happen... its really odd that state of mind affects your health, but it does seem to for some reason. Of course I don't know why some people have strange sexual attractions... and I really don't know how it happens. It might be genetic, but I'd doubt it... but until we map the whole genome (and actually understand what it all means), you can't rule out anything 100%. :)

But I'm talking about how when you look at people and get an instant reaction about how you feel about them sexually. That isn't something you can control... well you can try, but you can't fully control it.