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10th June 2003, 10:37 PM

I'd never "conceed defeat" to someone as obviously wrong about the issue as you are, Weltall... if you honestly think that you have "proven" anything and that we lack any proof you are doing your usual and ... creatively ... interpreting the facts as seen here.

Quote:Anyway, the latter claims that no one can choose to be straight if they're 'born' gay. The former counters with the fact of homosexuality in prisons, and how it's very existence is invincible proof of homosexuality being a choice. Suddenly, the latter claim homosexuality is no longer sexuality at all, now it's merely a state of mind.

Er, can you show how I've changed my position in any way?

...

Didn't think so. I haven't. I don't understand how homosexuality in prisons proves anything other than bad people in a desperate situation will do anything, and that sure doesn't alter any of MY opinions... but as I said earlier, it puts yours into serious doubt.

I mean, if it were really "choice" wouldn't those people still be "gay" when they get out of prison?

Yet I don't hear of them being any more a homosexual when they leave than when they go in. Hmm... wonder why? Rolleyes

As I've said since the beginning, its a genetic thing, mostly. Maybe there is some environmental things related to it (lots of things affect the mind) but like most mind-related things its probably either genetic or some deformity or alteration or something... not sure of course but its something like that. That means that the only people who are that are the ones in that group... no matter how they or anyone else act.

I said all along that actions are irrelevant in the issue of homosexuality. How is it that when I say that for like the five hundredth time I'm suddenly contradicting myself? Huh? I just don't understand where this "sudden change" happened, in any way, related to any aspect of this issue.

Because it didn't.

And its not a "state of mind!" unless you mean a 'state of mind' like any mental thing you have no control over as opposed to something you choose... but "state of mind" sounds like your definition of homosexuality, and makes no sense. But you probably meant it that way...

Quote:The point of this thread was to determine whether homosexuality was a choice or not. Since it has been proven beyond doubt that it is a choice, I don't feel there's any need to continue, because the point has been made and in six pages there has been no proof to refute it.

It is very, very sad that you actually think that your complete lack of "proof" has proved anything.

Quote:You guys claim it's your attraction that signifies your sexual preference, be it gay, straight or bi, yet you say the actual act of sex does not. Keeping that statement in mind, I'd like to know how many times you have sex, or even think about having sex, with someone who you are not attracted to, even remotely.

Sex usually doesn't take place without some level of attraction. I'm not attracted to men, therefore I'll never have sex with one, nor will I ever have sex with a woman who I do not find attractive.

You can do whatever you want physically... and yes for most people they will act on things they like more, and wouldn't have sex with someone they don't find attractive. I said that five times.

But that's not the point!

PHYSICALLY YOU COULD. ITS POSSIBLE. Its not like because you aren't attracted to them you can't do it... as Darunia crudely explained. Its certainly physically possible... but if you aren't attracted to them in any way YOU ARE NOT A HOMOSEXUAL! JUST like you still wouldn't be attracted to a woman you aren't attracted to after having sex with them... no difference at all.

It just means you had sex... which physically means a lot, but mentally? It only effects your state of mind... not anything wired into your brain chemistry...

And as I've also said multiple times, there is a difference between someone living a homosexual lifestyle and someone who is, physically, a homosexual. The former could convince themselves they are gay, but in the right cirumstances would realize that they aren't... and if that is the case then they aren't really gay, they just either think they are or are acting like one. I make a difference there, You don't, but I do...

Oh, I give up... this is pointless. If explaining my opinion, in detail, multiple times fails to get anything other than you saying "but you said x" when I said that x is not the case... :(

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This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 31st March 2003, 4:13 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 31st March 2003, 5:22 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 31st March 2003, 6:13 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 31st March 2003, 6:22 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 31st March 2003, 6:37 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 31st March 2003, 6:59 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 31st March 2003, 8:06 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 31st March 2003, 9:05 PM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 31st March 2003, 9:10 PM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 31st March 2003, 9:15 PM

This is sooo gay - by WhiteFleck - 31st March 2003, 9:44 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 31st March 2003, 9:54 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 31st March 2003, 10:10 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 31st March 2003, 10:45 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 31st March 2003, 10:57 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 31st March 2003, 11:03 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 31st March 2003, 11:06 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 31st March 2003, 11:11 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 31st March 2003, 11:25 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 31st March 2003, 11:29 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 31st March 2003, 11:31 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 31st March 2003, 11:40 PM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 31st March 2003, 11:50 PM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 31st March 2003, 11:52 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 1st April 2003, 12:08 AM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 1st April 2003, 12:18 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 1st April 2003, 12:18 AM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 1st April 2003, 12:23 AM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 1st April 2003, 12:29 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 1st April 2003, 12:29 AM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 1st April 2003, 12:33 AM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 1st April 2003, 12:37 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 1st April 2003, 12:45 AM

This is sooo gay - by N_A - 1st April 2003, 2:45 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 1st April 2003, 6:10 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 1st April 2003, 6:19 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 1st April 2003, 6:41 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 1st April 2003, 6:43 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 1st April 2003, 11:17 AM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 1st April 2003, 11:35 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 1st April 2003, 11:58 AM

This is sooo gay - by Fittisize - 1st April 2003, 8:42 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 1st April 2003, 9:43 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 1st April 2003, 9:52 PM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 1st April 2003, 10:34 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 1st April 2003, 11:29 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 1st April 2003, 11:41 PM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 1st April 2003, 11:46 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 12:03 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 2nd April 2003, 12:38 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 1:11 AM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 2nd April 2003, 1:42 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 2nd April 2003, 2:07 AM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 2nd April 2003, 12:34 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 1:41 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 2nd April 2003, 3:23 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 2nd April 2003, 3:36 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 4:21 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 2nd April 2003, 4:33 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 2nd April 2003, 6:43 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 2nd April 2003, 10:03 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 10:11 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 2nd April 2003, 10:29 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 10:40 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 2nd April 2003, 10:48 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 2nd April 2003, 10:50 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 2nd April 2003, 10:53 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 11:22 PM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 2nd April 2003, 11:31 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 2nd April 2003, 11:32 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 2nd April 2003, 11:39 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 3rd April 2003, 12:17 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 3rd April 2003, 2:07 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 3rd April 2003, 3:05 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 3rd April 2003, 3:52 PM

This is sooo gay - by Great Rumbler - 3rd April 2003, 3:53 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 3rd April 2003, 6:28 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 3rd April 2003, 6:37 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 3rd April 2003, 8:58 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 3rd April 2003, 11:03 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 3rd April 2003, 11:09 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 3rd April 2003, 11:37 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 3rd April 2003, 11:54 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 4th April 2003, 12:07 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 12:26 AM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 4th April 2003, 12:51 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 4th April 2003, 1:27 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 1:33 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 4th April 2003, 2:46 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 3:11 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 4th April 2003, 6:48 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 4th April 2003, 1:02 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 1:32 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 4th April 2003, 1:46 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 4th April 2003, 2:12 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 4th April 2003, 2:39 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 3:30 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 4th April 2003, 3:33 PM

This is sooo gay - by N-Man - 4th April 2003, 3:59 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 4th April 2003, 4:51 PM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 4th April 2003, 5:02 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 5:44 PM

This is sooo gay - by Dark Jaguar - 4th April 2003, 5:46 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 4th April 2003, 8:10 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 5th April 2003, 5:19 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 5th April 2003, 11:24 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 5th April 2003, 1:57 PM

This is sooo gay - by Great Rumbler - 5th April 2003, 2:31 PM

This is sooo gay - by EdenMaster - 5th April 2003, 3:02 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 5th April 2003, 4:53 PM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 6th April 2003, 12:45 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 6th April 2003, 5:58 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 6th April 2003, 6:58 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 6th April 2003, 7:09 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 7th April 2003, 5:13 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 7th April 2003, 6:19 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 7th April 2003, 10:53 AM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 7th April 2003, 4:26 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 7th April 2003, 4:45 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 7th April 2003, 4:49 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 7th April 2003, 4:57 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 7th April 2003, 6:07 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 7th April 2003, 6:38 PM

This is sooo gay - by WhiteFleck - 7th April 2003, 7:58 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 7th April 2003, 9:04 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 7th April 2003, 9:24 PM

This is sooo gay - by big guy - 7th April 2003, 9:30 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 7th April 2003, 10:03 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 7th April 2003, 11:30 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 8th April 2003, 4:46 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 8th April 2003, 5:54 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 8th April 2003, 9:39 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 8th April 2003, 9:55 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 8th April 2003, 10:30 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 8th April 2003, 10:49 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 8th April 2003, 11:02 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 8th April 2003, 11:30 AM

This is sooo gay - by WhiteFleck - 8th April 2003, 12:52 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 8th April 2003, 1:14 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 8th April 2003, 8:37 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 8th April 2003, 10:28 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 8th April 2003, 11:17 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 9th April 2003, 11:03 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 9th April 2003, 2:18 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 9th April 2003, 5:16 PM

This is sooo gay - by WhiteFleck - 9th April 2003, 7:08 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 23rd April 2003, 3:14 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 24th April 2003, 7:52 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 24th April 2003, 1:07 PM

This is sooo gay - by -_____- - 17th May 2003, 8:06 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 18th May 2003, 6:00 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 18th May 2003, 9:53 AM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 18th May 2003, 10:29 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 18th May 2003, 10:47 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 19th May 2003, 12:00 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 19th May 2003, 4:07 AM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 19th May 2003, 1:52 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 19th May 2003, 2:12 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 19th May 2003, 2:49 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 19th May 2003, 7:29 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 20th May 2003, 5:26 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 20th May 2003, 2:05 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 5th June 2003, 1:32 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 5th June 2003, 1:44 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 5th June 2003, 2:28 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 5th June 2003, 2:45 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 5th June 2003, 4:28 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 5th June 2003, 6:18 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 5th June 2003, 7:17 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 5th June 2003, 8:41 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 6th June 2003, 2:19 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 6th June 2003, 3:39 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 6th June 2003, 4:32 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 6th June 2003, 5:08 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 6th June 2003, 5:33 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 6th June 2003, 6:17 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 6th June 2003, 6:28 PM

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This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 7th June 2003, 2:25 AM

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This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 7th June 2003, 7:59 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 7th June 2003, 9:43 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 7th June 2003, 12:24 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 7th June 2003, 2:19 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 7th June 2003, 2:46 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 7th June 2003, 6:50 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 7th June 2003, 7:26 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 7th June 2003, 8:12 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 7th June 2003, 9:31 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 8th June 2003, 2:29 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 8th June 2003, 8:26 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 8th June 2003, 8:56 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 8th June 2003, 9:37 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 8th June 2003, 9:40 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 8th June 2003, 10:44 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 8th June 2003, 10:56 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 8th June 2003, 11:18 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 8th June 2003, 1:18 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 10th June 2003, 10:43 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 10th June 2003, 11:55 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 10th June 2003, 2:59 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 10th June 2003, 3:22 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 10th June 2003, 3:50 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 10th June 2003, 3:53 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 10th June 2003, 5:33 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 10th June 2003, 7:20 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 10th June 2003, 7:45 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 10th June 2003, 7:54 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 10th June 2003, 8:18 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 10th June 2003, 8:38 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 10th June 2003, 8:49 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 10th June 2003, 10:37 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 11th June 2003, 8:54 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 11th June 2003, 9:22 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 11th June 2003, 12:54 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 11th June 2003, 2:40 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 11th June 2003, 8:10 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 11th June 2003, 9:19 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 11th June 2003, 9:44 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 11th June 2003, 10:01 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 11th June 2003, 10:16 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 12th June 2003, 2:40 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 12th June 2003, 6:45 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 12th June 2003, 7:41 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 12th June 2003, 9:46 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 12th June 2003, 10:36 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 12th June 2003, 11:43 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 12th June 2003, 11:56 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 12th June 2003, 12:37 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 12th June 2003, 12:47 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 12th June 2003, 12:48 PM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 12th June 2003, 1:20 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 12th June 2003, 1:50 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 12th June 2003, 4:33 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 12th June 2003, 5:00 PM

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This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 12th June 2003, 7:52 PM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 12th June 2003, 10:16 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 12th June 2003, 10:28 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 12th June 2003, 11:48 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 13th June 2003, 4:11 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 13th June 2003, 5:17 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 13th June 2003, 10:57 AM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 13th June 2003, 11:54 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 13th June 2003, 4:11 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 13th June 2003, 5:30 PM

This is sooo gay - by N-Man - 13th June 2003, 7:30 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 13th June 2003, 8:14 PM

This is sooo gay - by N-Man - 13th June 2003, 10:11 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 13th June 2003, 10:42 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 14th June 2003, 3:33 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 14th June 2003, 10:14 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 15th June 2003, 3:34 PM

This is sooo gay - by N-Man - 15th June 2003, 4:23 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 15th June 2003, 4:43 PM

This is sooo gay - by N-Man - 15th June 2003, 5:16 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 15th June 2003, 5:26 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 15th June 2003, 5:59 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 15th June 2003, 9:28 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 15th June 2003, 9:35 PM

This is sooo gay - by Sacred Jellybean - 15th June 2003, 10:06 PM

This is sooo gay - by N-Man - 16th June 2003, 8:24 AM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 16th June 2003, 11:52 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 19th June 2003, 2:28 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 19th June 2003, 8:34 AM

This is sooo gay - by OB1 - 19th June 2003, 9:02 AM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 19th June 2003, 9:03 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 19th June 2003, 10:03 AM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 19th June 2003, 2:50 PM

This is sooo gay - by Weltall - 19th June 2003, 4:45 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 19th June 2003, 6:48 PM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 19th June 2003, 8:01 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 20th June 2003, 4:40 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 20th June 2003, 7:04 AM

This is sooo gay - by Darunia - 20th June 2003, 2:11 PM

This is sooo gay - by Nintendarse - 21st June 2003, 6:35 AM

This is sooo gay - by A Black Falcon - 15th June 2003, 10:44 PM

This is sooo gay - by alien space marine - 16th June 2003, 2:46 AM

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