We need the government to save us from ourselves :(

[Weltall]

Originally posted by Fittisize
You make it sound like you live the hardest life in the world, Weltall. Gee, those long hours at Wal-Mart! Sitting on your ass all day! Tough love, indeed! God, you are one of the most selfish people I've seen. You just care soooo much about how high YOUR quality of life is. YOUR paycheck. I bet you any amount of money that if say you were fired from your job and suddenly there were no available jobs, you couldn't afford rent for your house, got ejected from your house, and had to live on the streets, man would you be wishing for welfare. And how about you are livnig on the streets, and a group of thugs came, curb stomped your ass, and broke your arms and a leg? Well, you'd crawl to a hospital and they'd refuse to help you out 'cause you have no money.

Shit like this happens to people. And I bet every one of them were thinking, "well, it's all my fault I have no money. And these broken legs? I can live with them. It doesn't matter that I will probably die because I'll be rotting on the streets the rest of my short life. In order to keep our country fully capitalist, we have to refrain from giving money to the needy, so we have the ultimate society!!"

No.

Do you think that ANY deserving person (albeit one with horrible luck)who deserves a steady paycheck should have to beg for money and live in a box and hope to god he doesn't catch a cold? Godamn, this stuff HAPPENS. As much in Canada as the US. The difference being though is that with Welfare services in Canada, the government can put them back on their feet and have them working at a steady job soon enough. Welfare services are around to help people BACK on their feet, not as a paycheck for their entire lives. Welfare does not last a lifetime.

Imagine your best friend needs to have a heart transplant. He can afford it, but it would cost around 200 grande. He would be set back for many, many years should he pay for it. So instead of paying all that money, how about far, far, far, far, far less than that a year in taxes to insure he gets this ever-important transplant. It is a MUCH better system than to have a dirt-poor life until you can repay the 200 grande.

But I imagine you are thinking to yourself, "eh, that's life. Tough love. Suck it up."

'Tough love' is a saying that will work with a hockey coach, or a football coach making the players do push ups for screwing up. Hockey and football are games. A person's health and well being is life. Tough love just doesn't make sense in the game of life.

Nobody deserves to be living in a sewer their whole life. Everyone deserves a roof over their head.

First off, you're listing horrible worst-case scenarios here, outside the realm of reality.

Secondly, the entire problem with Welfare in America is that welfare recipients believe they are entitled to assistance for life, because for so long they were getting it for nothing. That has created a group of society that believes they have no obligation to work for anything. They believe that the world, or more accurately the taxpayers owe them a living. Now they will have absolutely no work ethic, nor will they have any marketable skills. Welfare has ruined any chance of them ever making anything of themselves.

Don't get me wrong, welfare does save people, but it should be strictly limited in application. Work for Welfare was actually a good start to the idea but we need to eliminate welfare as a means of living. It needs to become what it was originally intended to be: A very temporary form of assistance. In that form I am perfectly okay with it, and even with reduced cost or free healthcare: It's great if it is temporarily offered to people. It is NOT desirable to offer such things as long-term solutions because in the long term such programs waste money and make things very bad for everyone. Yet liberals like ABF want America to be a Welfare state, with the eventual goal of making everyone equally poor and totally dependant on the government to live.

I do NOT believe people should be left to die if they get sick, but I also believe that whatever medical services a person uses should be reimbursed by that person. Offering absolute free medical services to poor people will make some people feel that it's worth moving down in the tax bracket so that they can benefit. It happened with welfare and it caused a disaster.

Alot of homeless people suffer from mental I'llness and really should be put in homes to recieve proper care.

Not all Homeless people dont work , Ive seen alot of Hoboes working part time at Wal'mart . They live in a beat up car but cant afford a simple apartment, All their money goes to gas and food and cant really get insurance coverage or afford a proper health care. Should they die too because of their poor education?

the only people I can agree that do need a kick in the ass are Runaways ages 16- 19 and up, that live on the street ,steal and commit crimes to survive.To me they should either be rehabilitated into society and returned to their families or sent to the military to do service to their country and recieve proper discipline and education.

I put the homeless and poor into categories.

1.mentaly I'll = Need to be place in proper care for thier needs.
2. uneducated = Need Education and rehebilitation
3.The Rare truly unfortunate. = same as number 2
4. lazy leaches.= Kicked in the ass and sent to Jail.
5. Runaways. = Either same as number 2 or they go to do military service and get to see world and see how truly fortunate they are.

AS for healthcare service abuse ,Those patients need to be sent to a local clinic.

If you have Heart burn it could very well seem like a heart attack , so that really is just a miss call that cant really be avoided.

As for colds and Flus only small children and those with weak imune systems should be admited such as the Elderly.

To me its not the patients to blaim its poor management it sounds to me its your States trying to place blaim on other people for there poor managing.

You offer an excellent point: The homeless could, rather SHOULD be required to take military service (Hell, I think it'd be a great idea if military service was totally compulsory for EVERYONE). That way, the homeless are not only making contributions to society, but they are given ample opportunities to learn a trade or go to college. Fuck, the army pays COMPLETE TUITION for almost anyone! There's no reason whatsoever why someone who cannot afford education cannot take military service. None whatsoever.

Granted, not everyone can be expected to work, mainly mental cases. I believe they deserve care until they die because they are completely incapable of doing things for themselves. They truly have no options in the world. I would say the same for people who suffer physical disabilites that prevent them from doing most jobs.

Everybody else, however, has some level of opportunity to change their place in life and it is up to them to discover it.

This assumes that the capitalist system we have is completely fair. While the capitalist system in the United States is probably the best in the world, it is not without its flaws. If the success of a person depended solely on intelligence, smartness, industriousness, etc., the executive boardrooms of the top 500 companies would have similar demographics to the entire United States: 83.4% White, 12.4%black, 3.3% Asian, and .8% Native American. In addition, 50% of these executives would be women. Yet both of us know that this is not the reality. I know that I have an unfair advantage over a person that grew up in Harlem, New York, but is just as smart as I am, just as motivated as I am, and just as weak as I am. I know that this person couldn't go to the college I'm going to.

I will concede that it is more difficult for some to achieve than others, but there is always a way, and if you are resourceful enough you can overcome many shortcomings. It depends not on where you were born or raised or what color you are but it your ingenuity and your will to succeed. Some people might have to try harder to get to the top but that's no excuse for not trying. [/quote]

And what about those drugs, Welltaii?

Illegal drugs? Prescription drugs? Specify for me so I can answer.

If you mean illegal drugs as I think you do, I am against legalizing them because many drugs have dangerous effects that pose a danger not only to the user but people around them. Alcohol is one like that, granted, but used in moderation that is usually not a factor, whereas many illegal drugs can obliterate a person's rational thinking in the tiniest of doses.

But then again I have no problem with someone who wants to toke a little herb in the privacy of their own home either, so long as they're responsible about it.