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Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Why did Bush Jr. go in? Because of what I explained in my last post! He listened to, and agreed with, the people who Bush Sr. disagreed with -- the Republican Hawks. It really is that simple.

I remember in a PBS documentary on this they mentioned a 1991 early version of a report that advocated attacking Iraq and deposing Sadaam (written by Wolfowicz). When it was revealed to the public it set off such a firestorm both here and abroad that the group was forced to rewrite it and get rid of any mention of a attack anytime soon... but Bush Jr. obviously dug up the report and changed a few lines for the difference in years, and used it as a war plan. Just brilliant.

Funny, in your earlier posts, this war was Bush wanting to finish what his father started, and get revenge for the attempt on his father's life. Now all of a sudden it wasn't Bush and the motives are no longer personal, now all of a sudden he was just the willing pawn of his evil advisors.

It keeps getting funnier each time. Please, do continue.

Oh, and I just can't understand why you can possibly so insult the international community. Sure, we're more powerful than anyone, but size isn't the only thing that matters... world opinion is a VERY important aspect of world politics these days. You seem to think that people will change their mind and like us because we are more powerful. It just doesn't work that way. Their hatred will grow deeper... and it WILL cause problems. Not just increased terrorism. Also stuff like votes going against us in the UN more often. Nations refusing to cooperate with whatever we want to do. Anti-american governments being voted into office. Et cetera. While you will slight the impact of those things, I won't. I don't understand why conservatives think that the world is irrelevant, but if you open your eyes and look at it its pretty clear that in this day and age world opinion is a vital part of world politics and what happens in the future. And people like you and this administration couldn't care less... and it makes for very scary times

But you have no basis for this. We are the power of the world, in every aspect. We, for the most part, do not need other nations to prosper, as we are more than capable of producing much of what we need ourselves. What you keep refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the relationship between the U.S. and the rest of the world is hardly a dichotomy. We do not depend on other nations for much that is extremely important. However, other nations DO depend on us for a lot. There are more than a few nations that exist only because we help them to financially. There will be effects of what we are doing, but nothing catastrophic, If other nations refuse to cooperate with us, so be it. The hugely successful war that we fought with little help proves just how much we actually need other countries to support us.

What I'm trying to say is that this nation is in a place in the world where it does not require the favorable opinion of the world to do what needs to be done. Would it be nice if they agreed with us more? Sure. But necessary? Absolutely not.

Again, keep in mind: The rest of the world needs us more than we need them.

Fine. So what's your reason you think its okay? I'm sure it'll have nothing to do with international law or what is legal, that's for sure.

The weapons that we'll be finding.

Uhh... why fight to deny drilling? TO PROTECT THE WILDLIFE!!! I thought you knew that...

I meant, a good reason.

Oh, and the reason isn't for oil directly... its for being able to give the oil companies huge rebuilding contracts in Iraq. That's the prize. And a very rich one at that...

Huh? What could stake could oil companies have in reconstruction beyond oil-related facilities? Let me guess, there's a huge right-wing consipiracy to turn Iraq into a huge consolidated refinery. Or maybe a nation of gas-stations? You mean to tell me that the oil companies are also going to oversee the reconstruction of infrastructure and physical damage? How is that even possible?

:S

Again, think before you type. You keep changing your story, and it gets more ridiculous each time.

No, I don't mean he couldn't find them. I mean that because of the inspections he had to destroy almost all of them and any that are left he could never use because inspectors would find those just like how in the past they found some chemical/biological weapons facilities.

And the sanctions kept him from getting anything new.

Answer my question: Why kick the inspectors out for four years if you have nothing to hide?