What's an adventure? What's a Quest?

[A Black Falcon]

But, uh, um, how do you explain the exploring and collection and crap? Isn't that the same as those text ones, where you'd look around and try to fit everything together? Saying Metroid Prime doesn't have any adventuring in it would be pretty silly. What would you call it, then? A wandering game?

Um... only you could take this quote of Whitefleck's to be supporting your position here, OB1... :) To a reasonable person, though, I'd say that quote is supporting my position on the text adventure issue... yet you take it to support yours. Huh? I don't see how it does that at all... he's saying (like everyone else, except you) that text adventure games are adventure games just like graphic adventures are... the quote is too vauge to say what his opinion on adventure games in general is, though. But you ignore that in your reply.

OB1 Amen. The problem here (what sparked this whole debate) is that ABF is extremely arrow-minded and will only accept his definition of the term "adventure game", refusing to acknowledge the fact that there are several different kinds of adventure games, with Monkey Island being a graphic adventure (or PC Adventure, I guess you conuld call it), and Zelda/Metroid being action-adventures.

Actually, thats almost exactly what I've been trying to all along... that they are different kinds of games, not the same genre... you seem to slowly be giving ground here. :)

They are similar in many ways, but the omission of any interactive visuals in the text-based games makes it so that they cannot be considered as video games. Call them whatever you want, I don't care. You're still wrong. Like most of the debates I have with you, this is going nowhere. There is no point in continuing this thread.

Well, we agree on one thing-- our opponent won't give up. The difference is I have all the (reasonable) evidence and everyone who has posted on the issue on my side... you just have your nonsensical opinions and "facts" to back them up. Those "acts" -- like the "fact" that a videogame is not a videogame without graphics-- aren't something I understand... I see no way that Zork 0,1,2, or 3 and Return to Zork, Zork: Grand Inquisitor or Zork: Nemesis are in different genres. They are not. The games are VERY similar. Saying they are in different genres is absurd. The fact that the latter ones have graphics and the former don't really doesn't matter here... I don't see why you think it does, honestly. So they have no pictures? So? I see no relevance to their genre or category of games in that fact...