15th December 2024, 5:07 PM
(29th November 2024, 3:15 PM)Weltall Wrote: On today's episode, Donald Trump, at his weakest, oldest, and most pressured, managed to win a clear, undeniable victory over the forces of good. It was the most decisive outcome of his three campaigns. We join each other, with a lot of questions to ask ourselves.
There's a lot to agree with here, but I have to push back against the 'most decisive outcome of his three campaigns' point, because I don't see any way that that is true. In terms of national vote margin it is the first time that Republicans have won the national popular vote since 2004, and only their second time doing so since 1992 began the trend of Democrats usually winning the popular vote, but it was close -- the final margin's 1.5 points, less than the 4.5 point margin of 2020 or the 2.1 point margin of 2016. Trump's going to end up with under 50% of the vote and the smallest US House majority of an incoming President since 1930. He won, and it reflects incredibly badly on the American people that they were stupid enough to fall for his nonsense AGAIN, but it was not a blowout or 'the most decisive outcome', unless you just mean that the fact that he won at all and with any kind of popular vote margin makes it more decisive than the past two even though the margin is closer than either one. And on that point... well yeah it'll surely get awful over the next four years but no, it wasn't a more decisive win than the last two.
Quote:Is the United States dominated socially, economically, and politically by racist morons, and should we apply that label to everyone who ever voted for Trump until they see the error of their ways and learn to vote correctly?
Did the Democratic Party seriously torpedo its own credibility and lose 20 million voters, or did those 20 million voters owe their votes to the Democratic Party, and should we focus on blaming and shaming them until they vote correctly with more consistently?
Why did all those idiots vote for Trump because of the economy? Couldn't they see how good the economy is? Are they stupid?
Is it because Kamala Harris was a woman, or because she was a black woman?
Was it even really as bad as it looks, since we did make a few marginal gains here and there?
These debates, and more, on the 2024-28 episode of the traditional politics megathread
It is worth noting again that almost every single ruling party in the world that had an election in 2024 did worse than their previous election. The US actually was one of the least o the collapses on the list, most other countries did even worse. The only places where the ruling party actually held on to power without losing margin were Ireland and Mexico, and in the Mexican Presidential election the collapse of the opposition was a big factor in why. Everywhere else, from Japan to the UK to France, Senegal, South Africa, India, and more, incumbent parties all lost.
With that said though, given that the US economy really is in a pretty decent spot right now, better than almost anywhere else... yes, I think that I entirely agree with what you said about the US electorate being so spoiled that they don't realize how good we have it. Yup. Is there a better explanation for people voting for the guy promising to ruin the economy because they don't think it is good enough? If there is I can't think of it...