"No one stays good forever"

[A Black Falcon]

Zack Snyder is the problem. They've been trying to make DC "darker and edgier" for such a long time that we've reached a point where these "metahumans" aren't even heroes any more. If you want context for the line, Lois is trying to talk to Superman about hope, reminding him that the S on his chest supposedly stands for hope to the kryptonians, and Superman basically says "all the kryptonians are dead". THAT is his response to her call for hope. And no, he doesn't ever come around to say he was wrong later on, he just decides to stop fighting Batman because their moms have the same first name.

Huh. Yeah, that's just way too depressing, I don't like that tone. And that reason you give for them stopping to fight sounds REALLY dumb... their mothers have the same names, so he stopped fighting? Seriously? Come on.

That line in particular is meant in a "everyone eventually loses faith in goodness and just gets ruined by the dark truth of the world" sort of way, not a "you can't be 100% good 100% of the time" sort of way.

The world has both good and evil in it, though, not just darkness...

In general, DC has had a lot of success from the first two Batman Begins and Dark Knight movies and this has inspired them to get even darker... but I guess audiences think they've gone too far this time, the reactions to Batman vs Superman are negative. What direction will DC go in next?

From what I've heard though, aren't Marvel's movies less dark and more just popcorn stuff? It is a bit weird to think of Marvel as the 'happy-go-lucky' side, as stuff like those first two Spiderman movies seemed somewhat serious from what I remember, but Batman always has had a quite dark tone to it, so I can see where DC got that tone from... Batman's popularity, I presume. Oh, as for those Spiderman movies, I don't remember much about them, I didn't like them all that much. They weren't bad I guess, but definitely weren't good either. I guess the first one was okay, but I remember being thoroughly underwhelmed by the second.


Oh, while I've never cared much for superhero movies, there are a few superhero TV shows I liked. Most notably, the early '90s Batman cartoon was very good, I watched that in reruns in college in the '00s and liked it a lot. The Teen Titans cartoon from the early to mid '00s was also good stuff, I liked that quite a bit. Maybe it helped that that Teen Titans cartoon had some anime influences, which I liked by that point? That's about it though, other than enjoying some episodes of that '90s or '00s Justice League cartoon.

And of course, if the Ninja Turtles count I loved that as a kid for sure of course... but the cartoon, not the comics, so probably not really. On the subject of comic books though, I never bought superhero comics as a kid (seriously, not once as far as I can remember, excepting maybe an issue or two of Ninja Turtles if that counts), but my dad did buy this Captain Marvel compilation once in the '90s (The Life of Captain Marvel, I believe?), and I read it and thought it was alright. Didn't make me want to read lots of superhero comics beyond that, though.