"No one stays good forever"

[Dark Jaguar]

Zack Snyder is the problem. They've been trying to make DC "darker and edgier" for such a long time that we've reached a point where these "metahumans" aren't even heroes any more. If you want context for the line, Lois is trying to talk to Superman about hope, reminding him that the S on his chest supposedly stands for hope to the kryptonians, and Superman basically says "all the kryptonians are dead". THAT is his response to her call for hope. And no, he doesn't ever come around to say he was wrong later on, he just decides to stop fighting Batman because their moms have the same first name. That line in particular is meant in a "everyone eventually loses faith in goodness and just gets ruined by the dark truth of the world" sort of way, not a "you can't be 100% good 100% of the time" sort of way.

At least unlike most vs movies, they don't both roll into some water and leave the winner ambiguous. Batman kinda curb stomped Superman.

This isn't a movie that makes me hate it because the writing is just THAT bad (it's an "okay" movie on a technical level), it makes me hate it because it's an absolutely terrible movie for kids to watch, the main consumers of super hero movies. Kids are being taught by this movie that hope is a lie and everyone eventually succumbs to the darkness within and turns evil, and none of that matters so long as a wild beast creature is on the loose the not-heroes can fight.

I feel like the Avengers need to show up and slap some sense into these heroes. How is it that Marvel's heroes are the happy-go-lucky ones now? Oh, I would say you stopped watching super hero movies before they even got around to getting really good. Seriously, you just listed a bunch of movies we tricked ourselves into THINKING were good super hero movies because we had no idea how good they were going to get. The second spider man movie is pretty nice, mind, but the "Marvel formula" 1-upped it pretty heavily. Fantastic Four, in all incarnations, is terrible. X-Men movies got progressively worse over time, until they rebooted the franchise (in-universe, via time travel). Batman Begins is pretty good, as was the original Tim Burton movie. Can't complain there. What I'm saying is you should check out things since Iron Man, where the current crop of Marvel movies really started closing in on a working formula. Don't bother watching all of them, but they've really nailed it. Guardians of the Galaxy is probably my favorite of the whole bunch. This isn't to say there aren't some faults. Generally, Marvel movie villains are boring. You'll be watching these movies for the heroes, but the heroes are at least heroic. (Sadly, Guardians is no exception. The villain is even called out by another villain as "boring" at one point in the movie, which was fun to watch.) These are not "deep" movies, rarely having a message beyond "try to be good", but having watched the most recent DC movie, I gotta say I've woefully underestimated just how important that message actually is, because I've seen a superhero movie WITHOUT that message, and it's horrifying. The biggest issue of Marvel is that while they've got a winning formula, it is still a formula, and their movies are, as you say, becoming VERY repetitive. Audiences are going to get sick of Marvel movies sooner or later if they don't get more inventive, and for my part, I kinda already have. I see them because my friends see them, but I was already kinda bored watching Antman and Avengers 2. They're not bad movies, they're well executed, but much like with The Good Dinosaur, I've seen it all before a million times so they didn't grab me.

On DC's side, the best movies they've made were Dark Knight (VERY good) and Watchmen (the one movie questioning the notion of super heroics that actually WORKED, mainly because they stuck pretty close to the script of the comic it came from). The unfortunate truth is their sales department took a look at that and said "yes, these two dark movies, forever", and the latest one manages to, somehow, be FAR more depressing than Watchmen ever was. I've heard their cartoon movies are a lot better, so maybe I'll just check those out, but seriously those things are pretty low-key straight to video affairs so the vast majority of movie goers aren't even going to know about 'em. Batman v Superman is THE version of Batman and Superman for today's kids, the one most of them will think of when they think of those characters, and both of them are idiotic sociopaths.