19th July 2015, 9:15 AM
nickdaddyg Wrote:Weltall: You may understand the implications of some half-assed or quarter-asssed libertarians, or you don't understand libertarianism at all.
So libertarians seek a justification for not contributing to society? Do you think charity just about "looking good?" A libertarian knows that a charitable contribution is a purchase of happiness.
I can entertain you with a pissing contest between various charitable contributors:
I believe the top 10% wealthy people/entities already contribute over 50% of the govt's tax collections. Yes, it's by force, so maybe that isn't "good". Aside from this, think of how much these dreaded wealthy people contribute to the politicians you support.
I support Bernie Sanders. So, the answer is zero.
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Quote:"Libertarians want to remove government from the picture because the government helps other people."Like my last sentence, why would libertarians care what other people do peacfully? They wouldn't stop anyone from helping people. By definition they would not interfere someone helping other people. Voluntary transactions between A &B only arise when they benefit both parties... unless someone is on a self-destrucitve kick. Competition (when it arises) may offer B with greater benefit than A can provide at a price that C is perfectly happy with. I could say party C is being helpful if it's cheaper than Party A.
Libertarians have beef w/ their govts because govts are not peaceful entities.
President Obama summed this one up really well very recently.
Obama Wrote:Because their theory does not change. It really doesn’t. It’s a theory that says, if we do little more than just cut taxes for those at the very top, if we strip out regulations and let special interests write their own rules, prosperity trickles down to the rest of us. And I take the opposite view. And I take it not for ideological reasons, but for historic reasons, because of the evidence.We know from the facts that are there for all to see that America does better, our economy does better, everybody does better when the middle class does better and we’ve got more ladders for people to get into the middle class if they're willing to work hard. We do better when everyone grows together -- top, middle, bottom. We do better when everyone has a chance not only to benefit from America’s success, but also to contribute to America’s success. And we know from more recent history that when we stray from that ideal it doesn't turn out well. We’ve now got evidence there is a better way, there is a better approach. And I’m calling it middle-class economics.
Relying on private charity to take on the task that belongs to the welfare state is a recipe for disaster, for death, starvation and poverty on a scale unseen in this country since before the 20th century.
Contributing to society is more than giving charity to the poor. There must be a strong apparatus that enforces rules equally, that provides defense for everyone, that protects the individual who has no power to protect themselves. You probably think that all of your accomplishments have been 100% the result of your own efforts. This is the belief which underpins libertarianism, and it's so obviously incorrect that it barely merits a discussion. You can tell when someone has never actually been forced to fend for themselves, with no help or significant handicaps of any kind, because they think it's reasonable to expect that everybody should do it.
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