Super Mario Galaxy 2

[Sacred Jellybean]

Am I androgynous?

Extremely ;p

You're countering on ideals of perception and then negating them with another argument like you're ABF or something.

I believe I've understood you well enough to be arguing about anything irrelevant. Every point I've made ties into the discussion. Here's a recap:

"Your argument on women's inferiority isn't uncommon; it's a stereotype, for instance, that women are naturally bad at math, but that's not necessarily so."

"I disagree with the notion that women are worse at critical thinking than men; I've worked directly with women and their critical skills are comparable to the men's, to the point where there's no noticable difference."

"Nuture vs. nature; since disparities do exist (for instance, between women and men in the work place as a whole), it doesn't indicate that women are inherently worse at men at some things. For example, society puts more pressure on women to simply smile and look pretty, toys are geared towards them being motherly, there aren't many good role models in media/entertainment, rant rant rant into how it's a mistake to think that women are mainly only good at having babies, and their natural nurturing tendencies holds them back from doing a man's job just as well"

Oh, and let's not forget the most important one:

"That comedian was this guy not that guy"

Kindly flesh out the gap between my understanding and the point you're putting across and I'll admit it and shut up.

The best programmers are men because of the need to create, but that doesn't mean there are no female programmers. Try to broaden your scope a little so you're not only thinking on what was presented at face value but on your own. If I make a blanket statement in sarcastic splendor that all asian women are bad at driving I am not saying that is scientifically proven that 100% of all asians within or outside of the United States are incapable of operating a vehicle. Ringing the same chord, it is well known that asian women cant drive. You're being obtuse to the point that it hurts.

You should do better at making a point, though, I still don't understand the drunk/ice cream analogy. Women are probably more prone to comfort food because of the added pressure by society that they must be skinny and beautiful, so when they want to splurge, it obviously manifests itself in a different way.

More men are alcoholics because it's not "lady-like" to get drunk, a lot of humorous drunk-capades you see in movies and TV are done by young men (but it's seemingly happening with female characters more in the past decade). Watch every season of Family Guy and make a tally of the jokes surrounding Peter and his friends getting drunk and doing stupid shit, and Lois/other women getting drunk. Alcohol is not an essential like eating is, so it's easier for a girl to simply not indulge. But I'm 'sperging out again (and "missing the point" as you say), so I'll stop.

A woman doesnt have as much a creative drive but that doesn't mean they have no creative drive.

A comedian makes a remark attempting to touch on political or social commentary, race wars, gay bashing or whatever, attempting to hit a serious tone before the punchline or the setup. We do that in conversation.

My argument was never "god dammit bum there's not NO WOMEN OUT THERE BEING CREATIVE NNRRRGGH", it was that your assessment is false, you don't want to believe that women are as good as men, either because of creepy, overly-traditional beliefs on gender and sex, or because you're romantically frustrated, or whatever else it may be.

I don't think we're being overly PC on this. I can recognize when you're joking, but like you say, you're trying to put across a serious thought at the same time, and THAT'S what we're arguing with. Your belief in women is incredibly chauvanistic and outdated and it's scary to see such an intelligent and modern person have that kind of outlook.

dumb drive-thru analogy

I'm not overanalyzing this, though some overanalyzation would probably help if you could get more into the scientific nitty-gritty to prove your point, not just "See guys women HAVE BABIES and that's all they care about LOL". It's like saying that lesbians don't exist, or that homosexual men are just confused and can snap themselves out of it. We're not zombies to biology. We're not insects. Our thoughts aren't preoccupied on survival and continuation of our species to the level that you're suggesting.

Like ABF pointed out, men care a lot about family and children as well. Do women probably care more on the whole? Likely, yes. Does this source spring from biology, social mores, or a mixture of the two? Probably a mixture.

Do women lack a creative drive because they care more about bearing children? I don't see how you can jump to this point, it's just :psyduck: wtf on every level.

Math and logic are in fact the same thing. Math is a subset of logic. Carry on.

As you say, all math is logic, not all logic is math. I was originally trying to continue on the thread that women are not naturally bad at math by pointing out examples of women I know who are good at logic. Though perhaps it's not a big enough distinction for our purposes.

If I said blacks make for better boxers than white, you'd start posting white boxers. But guess what?

Skin tone is not exactly relevant, though; muscle mass, coordination, speed, and strategy are. And before you go all "MAN YOU JUST DONT GET IT" again, it pretty much makes your analogy fall apart.

See, you throw around words like "never" or "can't", when there's clear evidence to the contrary. That's why people get grouchy when then get into debates with you.

My problem isn't that he's throwing out absolutes. I'm not being pedantic by arguing with him, like if someone were to say "Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist" and I were to reply "Maybe the best guitarist of that generation, don't you know any guitarists of this generation, you know you're basically saying that no one will ever succeed him! etc"