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[Sacred Jellybean]

I suppose my last point was awkwardly written; true, logic and math are separate things, maybe I shouldn't have segued from one into the other. The whole point to the shpiel about men and women at my job was more to counter your idea that women are horrible critical thinkers. Obviously, using logic and managing systems and thousands of lines of code takes a lot of critical thinking. When a programmer is either adding or updating code, he has to account for any situation the under which the process might run. Will the update break another seemingly separate process? What's the most efficient way of writing it, as in, if the code needs to be updated in the future (i.e. have its original capabilities extended into other territory or tasks), can it be written in a way that makes it easier to expand?

But I'm rambling and writing vaguely, and have a bad track record when it comes to explaining technical matters, so I'll stop. The point is, if women were bad critical thinkers, my boss would be more reluctant to hire females. I believe we're small enough that we don't qualify for affirmative action, and he's a very no-nonsense kind of guy (the idea that he'd hire someone through altruism or social duty is hilarious).

I never heard that women were bad at math, ability at maths has always been something i've seen that happens rarely in individuals, male or female. It's the competitive fun most of the time. Programming as you know is not the usual fair of math, it's boolean phrases and algebras. Now we get in to nerds, bad haircut, usually spits a little bit when they talk and socially inept. Game and/or software programming tho is something that falls under drive - if you weren't experimenting with programming/game creation at a young age you probably wont ever get in to it. I know a ton of women who love software creation but the drive existed from a young age (ie; at 14 they were replacing the doom enemy sprites with sonic the hedgehog) and there's a chance that drive will carry them in to a career of it or get dropped to pursue other things. Always that 50/50 chance.

I'm sorry, your point is getting lost on me here. You said before that the drive rarely exists for women excelling (as a man does) at most things. You seem to be amending it here to say that a drive sometimes exists and will manifest at a young age... and that you know tons of women like this. Do I have it right, and if so, how do you reconcile all that?

Ron White, is he the one who ends his stand up with 'Thanks for playin along."?

I have no idea, but it's this mug right here:



That's how he usually looks on stage, too - sarcastic grin, whiskey in one hand, cigarette in the other. Oh, Ron. *dreamy smile, flutters eyelids*

You're trying so hard to disregard anything I say because you either dont understand or feel like it should be dissected or argued.

It's more that you have the idea that you're giving great insight, and since you're not convincing me, I must either be ignorant or stubborn. Your analysis makes some sense, but like I said, it's far from absolute or definitive. Just because you can express an idea in an intelligent way does not make the idea true, particularly when it can easily be explained by a chicken vs. egg situation. Do we view women as inferior because they have traditionally been behind the men or do they belong there to begin with?

A counter-argument is "well where did that perception come from?" and my answer to that is that just because women have held the traditional biological role of the child-bearing, raising, nurturing, etc. does not mean that it's all they'll ever be good for, with no hope to even compete with a man. It's absurd. We aren't living in tribes any more, we no longer have to worry about extinction. Shooting out kids isn't directive #1. Society has evolved beyond that, but gender roles evidently haven't caught up.

Grow up as a female, see how most female roles in stories are a simple love-interest or plot device for a male, or a secondary character, or a one-dimensional female role (wife/mother), how toys aimed at you all deal with cooking or beauty, coupled with the fact that men are traditionally more violent/aggressive, like to beat their chests and assert authority, and it's pretty easy to see why we're still so backwards. Whether women stay subservient to men as a result of learned behavior or from simple powerlessness, it's a difficult change to make.

Like it or not, women are security blankets - why do you think it hurts so much when the relationship doesn't work out? Your security is gone, it works the same for them. Women eat ice cream and write in their journal about their heartbreak. Men drink and wonder aimlessly.

So we agree that men and women are both security blankets for each other and are on equal footing in that sense? I don't know what your point is to the stereotypes/cliches on the 2nd part (it's like you forgot to add a line saying, "Don't you watch TV??")... I've written in an online journal (as you've seen in the past), drank, wandered aimlessly, and probably also have gotten comfort food as a result of feeling depressed (be it heartbreak or anything else). Am I androgynous?