11th June 2010, 10:17 PM
Actually I'd like to hear that list. SFA has always been near the top for me because that's about the only "rushed incomplete" game I can think of that had major hype aimed at it. There's plenty of others, but most don't interest me nearly as much. I mean there's little incomplete things in big name games like Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII people talk about, like entire towns or, say, a quest to thaw out Zora's Domain, but the games don't reek of incompleteness in the same way SFA does. Wind Waker is a little closer with things like the 3rd Pearl just being forked over, Ganondorf having literally BLOWN UP a dungeon before you could have fun in it. That, and the feeling you got that maybe those triforce pieces should have been in dungeons instead of just going on a long fishing expedition for them. However, though it has a more incomplete feel to it, it still overall felt like a "done" game, and while the puzzles were easier than the norm for Zelda, they weren't literally telling you the answers to everything like SFA did (note to future puzzle designers, NEVER just show an icon over objects instructing people as to exactly what item to use and where to use it over EVERY puzzly object in the game).
ABF, I really don't think the switch to Star Fox characters changed all that much. Lots of things change in much more complete games all the time from inception to finish. Most of what we ever saw from the original prototypes were just small screenshots of locations and people anyway. I never saw any signs that basic puzzle design or other things were like that. I'm sure that it did delay the project a little, but by Rare's own admission it wasn't that big a thing to work into the project. The big issue is much more likely the "push it out the door" thing when Microsoft bought them out. I mean the start of the game was pretty well done. It fell apart at later stages and just felt slapped together. It still LOOKED amazing, but change of setting or no I'm sure it'd have been far better had they been able to work on it "until it's done". Mind you, it'd probably have ended up being released 2 or so years later...
Oh! I bet GR's talking about Fable's unrealized promises :D. That's more an example of that crazy man's lying hype machines telling you they're giving you the moon and then giving you a mobius strip made of moon dust to play on later. The game is pretty good until you recognize just how far it is from that original promised vision. SFA isn't quite the same...
All in all, when Miyamoto says a bad game is bad forever but a delayed game is just a few months, I know the truth of it now. I never raise a fuss when a Zelda game is delayed.
ABF, I really don't think the switch to Star Fox characters changed all that much. Lots of things change in much more complete games all the time from inception to finish. Most of what we ever saw from the original prototypes were just small screenshots of locations and people anyway. I never saw any signs that basic puzzle design or other things were like that. I'm sure that it did delay the project a little, but by Rare's own admission it wasn't that big a thing to work into the project. The big issue is much more likely the "push it out the door" thing when Microsoft bought them out. I mean the start of the game was pretty well done. It fell apart at later stages and just felt slapped together. It still LOOKED amazing, but change of setting or no I'm sure it'd have been far better had they been able to work on it "until it's done". Mind you, it'd probably have ended up being released 2 or so years later...
Oh! I bet GR's talking about Fable's unrealized promises :D. That's more an example of that crazy man's lying hype machines telling you they're giving you the moon and then giving you a mobius strip made of moon dust to play on later. The game is pretty good until you recognize just how far it is from that original promised vision. SFA isn't quite the same...
All in all, when Miyamoto says a bad game is bad forever but a delayed game is just a few months, I know the truth of it now. I never raise a fuss when a Zelda game is delayed.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)