11th April 2010, 12:33 AM
Wow, Falcon. Just...wow. I guess I can label you into the "typical liberal" category, right? First off, what did I say at the end of my statement? Again, stop vomiting up everything you were taught in your public history textbooks. Everything you stated is nothing more than the same shit that I had pumped into my skull when I was in high school. You know happened to me? I GREW up. I opened my mind to the real truth.
It's funny: out of everything I stated, you never refuted anything that I said. Well, not that I said. More like what Professor Woods said. I guess when you have a BA from Harvard and a MA and Ph.D from Columbia, it's hard to be refuted. Oh, and let's not forget being a senior fellow at the most prestigious economic school in the country: the Ludvig Von Mises Institute.
First off: denial? Really? You think this is about denial? No, my friend, it's not. It's about truth. You wanna call me a racist because of the way I think? Go right ahead. I've been called much, much worse by people who don't like my ideals.
Secondly, I don't deny that Vietnam was a shit fest. I fully recognize that we did some pretty horrible shit over there. I've neither advocated nor supported what we did in that country. Hell, calling it a war is a mistake in itself. If was nothing but a police action.
"Slavery wasn't the main cause of the Civil War" is something that has been said by many historians"
Yeah, you're right. The difference between those historians and your historians is honesty. The man that I quoted in my little rant is a very respectable individual n the liberty movement. Woods has makes it his job to cut through the crap that our society has been led to believing since grade school. I don't expect you to accept that fact.
Who do you quote? Your typical leftist leaning Ivy League professor who likes to twist history for personal gain? Yeah, that's real rich. Thank you for reminding me about the reasons that led me away from seeking a history degree. I would've learned the same garbage all over again.
"In fact, only white Southerners believe that anything other than slavery caused the Civil War."
How about some evidence? You don't cite or quote a single book in your answer to what I said. Have you met everyone in the North? I didn't think so. Therefore, you can't honestly believe that you're right.
"-Guilt -- admit it and you have to admit your heritage and history of slavery and racism against other humans. Deny and you can keep pretending that it wasn't so bad.
-Continuing racism -- As I said in my last post, white Southerners are almost certainly the most racist block of people in the country. While most white Southerners probably don't want slavery back, they don't like black people very much, so who really minds THAT much what we did..."
One word: strawman. That paragraph does not refute a single thing that I said. You're just attacking Southerns by using the stereotype that everyone down there is racist.
Btw, Falcon, I'm not from the South. I'm from the North. I was born on the East Coast. I do have relatives from the South. I can assure you that they're not racist.
"As I said in my last post, white Southerners are almost certainly the most racist block of people in the country. While most white Southerners probably don't want slavery back, they don't like black people very much, so who really minds THAT much what we did..."
And you this....how? I've been to the South, and I've seen whites and blacks getting along just fine.
"Really, what's crazy is that they still won't admit the obvious truth... get over it already, admit it, and get past it. One of the major things keeping the Confederacy active as an issue is that a lot of white Southerners still won't really admit that racism, even slavery, is wrong."
Once again: strawman. You don't back-up your claims with any sort of facts. Are there racists in the South? Of course. I'm not saying there aren't. The problem that I have is that you're acting as if everyone down there is a Hillbilly that has missing teeth. I've seen more respectful people in the South than I have anyone else in this country. If you think everyone is hateful, you need a serious reality check.
"Only the South is keeping that memory alive"
Gee, maybe that's because they're sick and tired of having their history manipulated
in a way that always paints them as hateful.
You seem to have completely ignored everything I said. Go back and read what I said about Generals like Lee showing opposition to slavery. Go read the information regarding the letters about soldiers showing no desire to fight for keeping slavery alive.
They're keeping the memory because they want to try and set the record straight. Woods is behind that movement.
"The fact is that every other "reason" for southern secession was an excuse that would never have caused secession without the key issue, slavery, that was behind all of them."
Oh my God! That has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. That was behind all of them? So...what? Are you trying to say that secession is code for oppression? If that's the case, you have dark view of our history. If the Founders hadn't declared secession from England with the signing of the Declaration, there's that chance that we wouldn't be here right now.
Once again, slavery was not the only reason. Secession was the last remaining tool that the South had to protect its people from a government that wanted to take control and throw out the tenth. If they had been centralized, the power of the state governments to nullify and fight against the Federal level would have gone out the window.
It's funny: out of everything I stated, you never refuted anything that I said. Well, not that I said. More like what Professor Woods said. I guess when you have a BA from Harvard and a MA and Ph.D from Columbia, it's hard to be refuted. Oh, and let's not forget being a senior fellow at the most prestigious economic school in the country: the Ludvig Von Mises Institute.
First off: denial? Really? You think this is about denial? No, my friend, it's not. It's about truth. You wanna call me a racist because of the way I think? Go right ahead. I've been called much, much worse by people who don't like my ideals.
Secondly, I don't deny that Vietnam was a shit fest. I fully recognize that we did some pretty horrible shit over there. I've neither advocated nor supported what we did in that country. Hell, calling it a war is a mistake in itself. If was nothing but a police action.
"Slavery wasn't the main cause of the Civil War" is something that has been said by many historians"
Yeah, you're right. The difference between those historians and your historians is honesty. The man that I quoted in my little rant is a very respectable individual n the liberty movement. Woods has makes it his job to cut through the crap that our society has been led to believing since grade school. I don't expect you to accept that fact.
Who do you quote? Your typical leftist leaning Ivy League professor who likes to twist history for personal gain? Yeah, that's real rich. Thank you for reminding me about the reasons that led me away from seeking a history degree. I would've learned the same garbage all over again.
"In fact, only white Southerners believe that anything other than slavery caused the Civil War."
How about some evidence? You don't cite or quote a single book in your answer to what I said. Have you met everyone in the North? I didn't think so. Therefore, you can't honestly believe that you're right.
"-Guilt -- admit it and you have to admit your heritage and history of slavery and racism against other humans. Deny and you can keep pretending that it wasn't so bad.
-Continuing racism -- As I said in my last post, white Southerners are almost certainly the most racist block of people in the country. While most white Southerners probably don't want slavery back, they don't like black people very much, so who really minds THAT much what we did..."
One word: strawman. That paragraph does not refute a single thing that I said. You're just attacking Southerns by using the stereotype that everyone down there is racist.
Btw, Falcon, I'm not from the South. I'm from the North. I was born on the East Coast. I do have relatives from the South. I can assure you that they're not racist.
"As I said in my last post, white Southerners are almost certainly the most racist block of people in the country. While most white Southerners probably don't want slavery back, they don't like black people very much, so who really minds THAT much what we did..."
And you this....how? I've been to the South, and I've seen whites and blacks getting along just fine.
"Really, what's crazy is that they still won't admit the obvious truth... get over it already, admit it, and get past it. One of the major things keeping the Confederacy active as an issue is that a lot of white Southerners still won't really admit that racism, even slavery, is wrong."
Once again: strawman. You don't back-up your claims with any sort of facts. Are there racists in the South? Of course. I'm not saying there aren't. The problem that I have is that you're acting as if everyone down there is a Hillbilly that has missing teeth. I've seen more respectful people in the South than I have anyone else in this country. If you think everyone is hateful, you need a serious reality check.
"Only the South is keeping that memory alive"
Gee, maybe that's because they're sick and tired of having their history manipulated
in a way that always paints them as hateful.
You seem to have completely ignored everything I said. Go back and read what I said about Generals like Lee showing opposition to slavery. Go read the information regarding the letters about soldiers showing no desire to fight for keeping slavery alive.
They're keeping the memory because they want to try and set the record straight. Woods is behind that movement.
"The fact is that every other "reason" for southern secession was an excuse that would never have caused secession without the key issue, slavery, that was behind all of them."
Oh my God! That has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. That was behind all of them? So...what? Are you trying to say that secession is code for oppression? If that's the case, you have dark view of our history. If the Founders hadn't declared secession from England with the signing of the Declaration, there's that chance that we wouldn't be here right now.
Once again, slavery was not the only reason. Secession was the last remaining tool that the South had to protect its people from a government that wanted to take control and throw out the tenth. If they had been centralized, the power of the state governments to nullify and fight against the Federal level would have gone out the window.