24th March 2010, 6:37 PM
[QUOTE=Darunia]
[QUOTE]If you honestly believe that Bush intentionally deceived congree in order to start a war, what was his reason? I agree that he probably did want to go to war... he may be a bellicose person in some ways... but I think that he honestly believed there to be a casus belli.
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Back in the 90's Saddam Hussein hatched a failed plot to assassinate his father while he was on a business trip to the Mideast, I think he had very personal reasons for wanting to depose Saddam and had longed to strike at him in retaliation for the plot against his dad.
The Bush administration went into Iraq for various reasons, While they may have actually believed that Saddam had WMD's hidden somewhere,The deception was that they knew the intel they had was complete dubious garbage but continued to try to pass it off as credible evidence that Iraq was imminent threat.
Also I object to the war because it has tarnished the U.S and western civilization as a hole, It was also a huge misstep that has further antagonized the Islamic world and seeded the ground for more terrorism and Islamism.
[QUOTE]Civil War? Pray inform me further. I know there are regional stressors, as there are in many countries were more than one ethnicity are heaped together, but I don't know that it has gone to that level.[/QUOTE]
Do you watch the news? Iraqi's were hacking and shooting each other to bits by the thousands on sectarian lines, many southern Iraqi cities and regions have been cleansed of Sunnites,A huge chunk of the suicide bombings against civilians were by Sunnites avenging themselves against the shia.
Many say that all of this is due to the fact that back in 2003, Many of Saddam's former generals had been promised by U.S officials that they would be part of the new Iraq and that their army division would continue to be employed in service to the new government when they surrendered, The Bush administration instead choose to disband the entire army forcing the countries population of soldiers into unemployment, Thus Turning a potential asset into another enemy.
With the army disbanded they had to build new army from scratch which takes a few years to complete, When they could have had a large local military force to police the country right off hand and the sectarian bloodbaths could have been stopped before they escalated out of control by having Iraqi veterans fight with you and not against you, The disbanding the old national army caused soldiers to turn to their tribal and religious leaders joining the sectarian militias that would later kill each other when the sectarian violence erupted, before that they had unity by common allegiance to the Generals of the former national army.
[QUOTE]There is always colateral damage in war[/QUOTE]
Which is why Bush is grilled for starting a preemptive war over WMD's and imminent threats that didn't exist.
As a consequence western civilians in Madrid and London became collateral damage........
Bush and Blair were and are completely clueless about Muslims and the fact the quran commands them to take up arms and defend co-believers regardless of nationality when infidels invade their lands, So any Muslim living in the UK and in America will see the war in iraq as a attack against the Islamic world nation and a call to jihad.
Historically Iraq was the center of the Islamic world and Baghdad was the seat of the caliphate in centuries past, If muslims will flock across the globe to fight russkies in a backwater like afghanistan in the 80's imagine how much more would volunteer for jihad to defend a land of great sentimental value.
A minority already viewed American patronage of Israel as a act of war, That's why a fringe group of bearded circumcised fucktards hijacked planes and slam them into the towers, Ever since Iraq its no longer just a small percentage that consider the U.S the enemy now most of them do.
[QUOTE]An unstable despot who has WMDs is reason enough to go to war. Which is why I endorse Obama's Iranian sanctions, though I'm not quite sure it goes far enough.[/QUOTE]
Which is why Bush ignored the well contained Saddam Hussein and went after the despot in the axis of evil who actually had nuclear bombs,the very wonely Kim Jong-il
*In the alternative universe were George W Bush was not dropped on his head as a infant.*
[QUOTE]If you honestly believe that Bush intentionally deceived congree in order to start a war, what was his reason? I agree that he probably did want to go to war... he may be a bellicose person in some ways... but I think that he honestly believed there to be a casus belli.
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Back in the 90's Saddam Hussein hatched a failed plot to assassinate his father while he was on a business trip to the Mideast, I think he had very personal reasons for wanting to depose Saddam and had longed to strike at him in retaliation for the plot against his dad.
The Bush administration went into Iraq for various reasons, While they may have actually believed that Saddam had WMD's hidden somewhere,The deception was that they knew the intel they had was complete dubious garbage but continued to try to pass it off as credible evidence that Iraq was imminent threat.
Also I object to the war because it has tarnished the U.S and western civilization as a hole, It was also a huge misstep that has further antagonized the Islamic world and seeded the ground for more terrorism and Islamism.
[QUOTE]Civil War? Pray inform me further. I know there are regional stressors, as there are in many countries were more than one ethnicity are heaped together, but I don't know that it has gone to that level.[/QUOTE]
Do you watch the news? Iraqi's were hacking and shooting each other to bits by the thousands on sectarian lines, many southern Iraqi cities and regions have been cleansed of Sunnites,A huge chunk of the suicide bombings against civilians were by Sunnites avenging themselves against the shia.
Many say that all of this is due to the fact that back in 2003, Many of Saddam's former generals had been promised by U.S officials that they would be part of the new Iraq and that their army division would continue to be employed in service to the new government when they surrendered, The Bush administration instead choose to disband the entire army forcing the countries population of soldiers into unemployment, Thus Turning a potential asset into another enemy.
With the army disbanded they had to build new army from scratch which takes a few years to complete, When they could have had a large local military force to police the country right off hand and the sectarian bloodbaths could have been stopped before they escalated out of control by having Iraqi veterans fight with you and not against you, The disbanding the old national army caused soldiers to turn to their tribal and religious leaders joining the sectarian militias that would later kill each other when the sectarian violence erupted, before that they had unity by common allegiance to the Generals of the former national army.
[QUOTE]There is always colateral damage in war[/QUOTE]
Which is why Bush is grilled for starting a preemptive war over WMD's and imminent threats that didn't exist.
As a consequence western civilians in Madrid and London became collateral damage........
Bush and Blair were and are completely clueless about Muslims and the fact the quran commands them to take up arms and defend co-believers regardless of nationality when infidels invade their lands, So any Muslim living in the UK and in America will see the war in iraq as a attack against the Islamic world nation and a call to jihad.
Historically Iraq was the center of the Islamic world and Baghdad was the seat of the caliphate in centuries past, If muslims will flock across the globe to fight russkies in a backwater like afghanistan in the 80's imagine how much more would volunteer for jihad to defend a land of great sentimental value.
A minority already viewed American patronage of Israel as a act of war, That's why a fringe group of bearded circumcised fucktards hijacked planes and slam them into the towers, Ever since Iraq its no longer just a small percentage that consider the U.S the enemy now most of them do.
[QUOTE]An unstable despot who has WMDs is reason enough to go to war. Which is why I endorse Obama's Iranian sanctions, though I'm not quite sure it goes far enough.[/QUOTE]
Which is why Bush ignored the well contained Saddam Hussein and went after the despot in the axis of evil who actually had nuclear bombs,the very wonely Kim Jong-il
*In the alternative universe were George W Bush was not dropped on his head as a infant.*