Fanboys... ASSEMBLE!

[lazyfatbum]

People have been writing Nintendo's obituary for years now, but none of it has come true. I don't expect it to be any different now. :)

It is true that Wii sales are slowly dropping, but it's still the top seller, and there are plenty of things Nintendo can do to increase them, like wait for Christmas, release the black Wii, etc. I don't think they have anything to worry about.

Go lay down. You either didn't read the points I posted or have no clue to what you speak of.

Weltall you're right but you have it ass backwards. The 'casual' of the Playstation 1 and 2 era were people who wanted to play hardcore games, no figure skating or puppy walking here, it was third person shooters with as much depth as a kiddy pool and they were making the market a shovelware festival. Nintendo fans were quick to point out that the Zelda's, Mario's etc were games with serious depth and could be played for 100's of hours, we didn't want 'gangstas' buying games because 'her ass is hot' or 'yo in this game you get mad pussy'. Those 'casuals' in our eyes were going to ruin the industry which was set to happen before the Wii changed things up. That's not Nintendo propaganda, the industry was in trouble for everyone.

The lack of deep consoles games by 2005 (or more accurately, the huge number of shovelware) was making everything bad, the entire problem came from what the Playstation 1 and 2 had caused, heavy saturation just like the Atari. And because these games were being pumped out so quickly, the quality of everything was way down, people stopped buying and even the holy PS2 was slipping in Japan. GTA 2 was made really well, so every company and their brother made a cheap version of it and tried to cash in with low quality versions of the genre. It got to the point that high quality versions couldn't even sell well.

That's exactly what's happened with Wii. Music games hit a huge buzz that went from a low rumble to everyone's must have. Guitar Hero 2's sequel was raising eyebrows everywhere and nobody knew what Rock Band was. After the launch of Guitar Hero 3 the flood was ridiculous, it was like every developer jumped on to make a music game (including Nintendo) and all of them did mediocre because what was popular had lost its sheen and now that it's over saturated and people moved on to something else buzz worthy. Wii Music was such a disaster I doubt Nintendo will even include a musical instrument in the next 3 Zelda games because of it. I think it did 5 million worldwide but Nintendo was expecting every Wii owner to gobble it up.

But the problem with Wii isn't casual gamers, it's the studios who are quite literally taking cell phone games and porting them to a console that is more powerful than the original XBox. Why are they selling cell phone games? Because data suggests that small games like Wii Sports, Wii Play and etc do extremely well so the bandwagon hit just like it did with the music genre. Now we're flooded and the Wii only falls in to two categories: Crummy mini games or fitness. It's a horror novel out there, and the worst was when Nintendo released the sequel to Excitetrucks - Excitebots.

Excitetrucks did amazingly well, it launched with the system and raked in the dough every month and sells well. It does so well, the game is still 50 bucks almost everywhere. A *launch game* 3 years later at full price. So the hype machine started when the developer for Excitetrucks announced its working on a game, when the first screens of bots hit it was mixed feelings all around. People who followed the story knew it was the spiritual successor to trucks but everyone else looked at the cover art and said 'oh, a mini game' because it's animals and insects approach alienated the racing fans who wanted more trucks or cars. In fact, every message board I went to had people around my age looking for a sequel to Excitetrucks to include multiple vehicles, tanks, ambulances, cop cars, taxis, jet powered buses and the ability to transform in to boats or helicopters when the road changed. Or hitting ( ! ) symbols to create traps, burn bridges (or create them) or make a catapult that would basically cause a truck throw on yourself and no one else to reach shortcuts. etc etc, tons of ideas for a racing game based on real vehicles with arcade physics and loosely based on the Excitebike series.

All of these ideas were thrown away for a more 'family oriented' presentation and what we got was wacky racing. So not only did they alienate the fans, but they turned green consumers away because it looked like another shovelware game. In fact, I saw people buy Excitetrucks and not look twice at Excitebots because "the boxart looks gay." The only commercial I saw for Excitebots had a dad playing with his 3 year old son.

Now, like now now, Nintendo has made itself a cozy grave. There's a hint of Zelda, the updated Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid that showed more footage of FMV's than actual gameplay. From third parties? Let's take a look:

101-in-1 Party Megamix Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor 1 - 4 Oct 27, 2009
8 Ball All Stars Nintendo Wii Simulation TBA
A Boy and His Blob Nintendo Wii Adventure Oct 2009
A New Beginning Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 Year 2009
Academy of Champions Nintendo Wii Sports Nov 2009
Active Life: Extreme Challenge Nintendo Wii Simulation 1 - 2 Aug 2009
All Star Cheer Squad 2 Nintendo Wii Rhythm Year 2009
And Yet It Moves Nintendo Wii Puzzle 1 Q4 2009
Animal Kingdom: Wildlife Expedition Nintendo Wii Q3 2009
Aquatic Tales Nintendo Wii Puzzle TBA
Arc Rise Fantasia Nintendo Wii RPG 1 Year 2010
Astro Boy: The Video Game Nintendo Wii Oct 20, 2009
Bakugan Battle Brawlers Nintendo Wii Action Oct 20, 2009
Band Hero Nintendo Wii Rhythm Q4 2009
Ben 10 Alien Force: Vilgax Attacks Nintendo Wii Action 1 Oct 2009
Big Bang Party Nintendo Wii TBA
Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting Nintendo Wii Simulation TBA
Cabela's Big Game Hunter 2010 Nintendo Wii 1 - 4 Sep 29, 2009
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Nintendo Wii Shooter Nov 10, 2009
Calling Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 Q2 2010
Cave Story Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 Q3 2009
Chaotic: Shadow Warriors Nintendo Wii Nov 10, 2009
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 2 Q3 2009
Colorz Nintendo Wii Puzzle TBA
Crow Nintendo Wii Shooter 1 TBA
Cursed Mountain Nintendo Wii Action 1 Year 2009
Dead Space Extraction Nintendo Wii Shooter 1 - 2 Sep 29, 2009
Deca Sports 2 Nintendo Wii Sports Q4 2009
Defenders of Law, Inc. Nintendo Wii Puzzle 1 TBA
Demae Channel Nintendo Wii TBA
Demonik Nintendo Wii Action 1 Cancelled
Diner Dash Nintendo Wii Strategy Q3 2009
Dirt 2 Nintendo Wii Racing Sep 8, 2009
DJ Hero Nintendo Wii Rhythm Q4 2009
Doc Louis's Punch-Out!! Nintendo Wii Sports 1 Year 2009
Dragon Master Spell Caster Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 - 2 TBA
Dragon Quest X Nintendo Wii RPG TBA
Drawn to Life: The Next Chapter Nintendo Wii Action Q3 2009
EA Sports Active More Workouts Nintendo Wii Sports Q4 2009
Endless Ocean 2 Nintendo Wii Simulation Q1 2010
Eternity's Child Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Family Fun Football Nintendo Wii Sports 1 - 4 Q3 2009
Family Party: 30 Great Games Outdoor Fun Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor 1 - 4 Q4 2009
Fatal Frame 4: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 TBA
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers Nintendo Wii RPG TBA
Final Furlong Nintendo Wii Simulation TBA
Flip's Twisted World Nintendo Wii Action Jan 1, 2010
Food Network: Cook or Be Cooked Nintendo Wii Simulation Year 2009
Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon Nintendo Wii RPG 1 Q4 2009
Furry Legends Nintendo Wii Action Q4 2009
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Nintendo Wii Action Q3 2009
Geon Nintendo Wii Action Year 2009
Gladiator A.D. Nintendo Wii Fighting 1 - 2 Q1 2010
Gravitronix Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 8 TBA
Grease Nintendo Wii TBA
Grotesque Tactics: Evil Heroes Nintendo Wii Strategy Q4 2009
Guitar Hero 5 Nintendo Wii Rhythm 1 - 4 Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Q4 2009
Guitar Hero: Van Halen Nintendo Wii Rhythm 1 - 4 Dec 22, 2009
Hajimete no Zapper Nintendo Wii TBA
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Nintendo Wii Q3 2009
Harvest Moon: Animal Parade Nintendo Wii Simulation Q4 2009
Harvest Moon: Magical Melody Nintendo Wii Simulation 1 Aug 2009
Harvest Moon: My Little Shop Nintendo Wii Adventure Q3 2009
Iron Man 2 Nintendo Wii Action Q2 2010
Jambo! Safari Animal Rescue Nintendo Wii Simulation 1 - 4 Q4 2009
Job Island Nintendo Wii Simulation Year 2009
JU-ON: The Grudge Nintendo Wii Oct 2009
Just Dance Nintendo Wii Rhythm 1 - 4 Q4 2009
Karaoke Revolution Nintendo Wii Rhythm Q4 2009
Kirby Nintendo Wii Action 1 TBA
La-Mulana Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Lead the Meerkats Nintendo Wii Simulation 1 TBA
LEGO Harry Potter: Years 1-4 Nintendo Wii Adventure Q1 2010
LEGO Rock Band Nintendo Wii Rhythm Q4 2009
Line Attack Heroes Nintendo Wii 1 - 4 TBA
Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 - 2 Q3 2009
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games Nintendo Wii Sports Oct 13, 2009
Marvel Ultimate Alliance II: Fusion Nintendo Wii Action Year 2009
Medieval Games Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor 1 - 4 Oct 2009
Metroid: Other M Nintendo Wii Action Year 2010
Military Madness: Nectaris Nintendo Wii Strategy Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Q3 2009
Mini Ninjas Nintendo Wii Action Sep 8, 2009
Monado: Beginning of the World Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 TBA
Monster Hunter Tri Nintendo Wii Adventure Q1 2010
Mr. D Goes to Town Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor 1 - 2 TBA
Muramasa: The Demon Blade Nintendo Wii Action 1 Sep 8, 2009
MySims Agents Nintendo Wii Adventure TBA
NBA 2K10 Nintendo Wii Sports Year 2009
Need For Speed Nitro Nintendo Wii Racing Nov 17, 2009
New Play Control! Chibi-Robo Nintendo Wii 1 TBA
New Play Control! Pikmin 2 Nintendo Wii Strategy 1 - 2 TBA
New Super Mario Bros. Wii Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 4 Q4 2009
No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle Nintendo Wii Action 1 Jan 2010
Orb Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Pirateology Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Planet 51 Nintendo Wii Q4 2009
pop'n music Nintendo Wii Rhythm Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Q4 2009
Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 Nintendo Wii Sports Q4 2009
Project H.A.M.M.E.R. Nintendo Wii Action Cancelled
QJ Nintendo Wii Rhythm TBA
Rabbids Go Home Nintendo Wii Adventure Nov 3, 2009
Red Steel 2 Nintendo Wii Shooter Year 2010
Reel Fishing: Angler's Dream Nintendo Wii Sports Year 2009
Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles Nintendo Wii 1 - 2 TBA
Rirakkuma Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor Year 2009
Robocalypse: Beaver Defense Nintendo Wii Action Q3 2009
Sadness Nintendo Wii Adventure TBA
Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Nintendo Wii Strategy Q3 2009
Sam & Max Season Two Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 Year 2009
Scooby-Doo! First Frights Nintendo Wii Action Sep 2009
SD Gundam REVOLUTION Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Secret Files 2- Puritas Cordis Nintendo Wii Adventure Year 2009
Sengoku Basara 3 Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Shadow Tower Nintendo Wii Adventure 1 TBA
Shaun White Snowboarding: World Stage Nintendo Wii Sports Q4 2009
Shimano Xtreme Fishing Nintendo Wii Action Q3 2009
Shiren the Wanderer Nintendo Wii RPG Q2 2010
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories Nintendo Wii Action 1 Q4 2009
Sin & Punishment 2 Nintendo Wii Shooter Q1 2010
Sled Shred Nintendo Wii Racing Q4 2009
Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing Nintendo Wii Racing 1 - 4 Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Year 2010
Soul Eater Monotone Princess Nintendo Wii Adventure TBA
Span Smasher Nintendo Wii 1 - 2 TBA
Spectrobes: Origins Nintendo Wii Adventure Q4 2009
Spore Nintendo Wii Simulation TBA
Spore Hero Nintendo Wii Adventure Q3 2009
Sports Challenge Nintendo Wii Sports TBA
Spyborgs Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 2 Sep 22, 2009
Star Wars The Clone Wars: Republic Heroes Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 2 Sep 2009
Super Mario Galaxy 2 Nintendo Wii Action Year 2010
Super Meat Boy Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 2 Q1 2010
Super Monkey Ball Step & Roll Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Tales of Graces Nintendo Wii RPG Q4 2009
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All Stars Nintendo Wii Fighting 1 - 2 Q4 2009
Tecmo Bowl Wii Nintendo Wii Sports Year 2009
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash Up Nintendo Wii Fighting 1 - 4 Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Q4 2009
The Beatles: Rock Band Nintendo Wii Rhythm Sep 9, 2009
The Grinder Nintendo Wii Shooter 1 - 4 Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Q4 2010
The Legend of Zelda Nintendo Wii Adventure Year 2010
The Secret Saturdays: Beasts of the 5th Sun Nintendo Wii Action 1 Oct 2009
The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces Nintendo Wii Action Q4 2009
Thorn Nintendo Wii TBA
Tony Hawk: Ride Nintendo Wii Sports Nov 17, 2009
Tornado Outbreak Nintendo Wii Adventure Sep 2009
Toy Story Mania Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor 1 - 2 Year 2009
Trace Memory 2 Nintendo Wii Adventure Year 2009
TrackMania Nintendo Wii Racing 1 - 4 Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection TBA
Trauma Team Nintendo Wii 1 - 2 Q1 2010
Uno Nintendo Wii Party/Parlor Q3 2009
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga Nintendo Wii RPG 1 - 2 Q3 2009
Vektor Tank Nintendo Wii Action 1 - 4 TBA
Wacky World of Sports Nintendo Wii Sports Q4 2009
Walk It Out Nintendo Wii Rhythm TBA
We Cheer 2 Nintendo Wii Rhythm Q4 2009
Wee Curling Nintendo Wii Sports 1 - 4 TBA
Where the Wild Things Are Nintendo Wii Oct 2009
Wii Fit Plus Nintendo Wii Simulation Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection Q4 2009
Wizardology Nintendo Wii Action TBA
Yoga Nintendo Wii Simulation Nov 2009
You, Me & the Cubes

The Grinder, Secret Saturdays and Gladiator A.D. are now up in the air as Conduit is just not doing well in the reviews. People wont put faith in HV's games and no one will buy Conduit because of the bad press it got (its actually really good, but Halo ((any of them)) is better, a lot better, in terms of graphics and presentation). Conduit reminds me a LOT of Goldeneye and PD, but will most people care? Does anyone want to hear that Conduit has great gameplay?

Silent Hill, Monster Hunter, Darkside Chronicles, Red Steel 2, No More Heroes 2, Metroid OtherM, Ju-on, Dead Space Extraction and Cursed Mountain are the only games I'm hearing from people. Then there's New SuperMarioBros. Wii of course and the unofficially announced Zelda, but lets focus on third party. 11 games to support Nintendo over the next year, 9 of them from third parties.

Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest is on my list, but that's only because Kuju is developing the game (Battalion Wars developers, their art style and gameplay design is just awesome). But no one knows what it is, when its coming or what you do in the game. It has cute graphics (like Battalion Wars) so of course, that's going to turn a lot of people off from the game.

Most people dont even know what Ju-on is since it cant be called "The Grudge" because the American title is copyrighted but the game looks brilliant. Darkside Chronicles wont do well, its going to face Deadspace and that game is just plain excellent, "another" RE rail shooter wont be welcomed. 'Cursed Mountain? What's that?" No More Heroes sold like shit, I dont expect NMH2 to do any better. Silent Hill has street cred but there's a lot of 'Wii is gonna fuck it up'. Madworld, Okami, Zack and Wiki shit I could name a dozen games that are great that NO ONE IS BUYING.

After this year, there wont be a third party out there that will say 'yes i'll develop on Wii." There's a huge market, the Wii is holding the whole world, but the only games that sell are fitness games and I use that term loosely, it doesn't need a picture of a woman doing yoga on the front. Fucking Wii Cheer is doing well. WII CHEER???

The Wii needs the developer to customize their shaders and as one developer said in early 2005 'Next gen games wouldn't exist without shaders." So because the Wii has the dev needing to customize their programs to include their own shaders they take the easy route and develop none or re-use PS2 shaders. This is why a console more powerful than XBox that made fuckin Ninja Gaiden Black has graphics that make people snicker. Monster Hunter looks good, but it could be a thousand times better. Same for Darkside and Silent Hill. It's a damn joke. And are the third parties going to push hardware when We Cheer is outselling The Conduit? Punch-Out!! hasn't even broke a million. At this point, the Balance Board has outsold Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, The Conduit, Metroid Prime 3 and Punch-Out!! COMBINED

Think about it for shit's sake, i'm not a Nintendo hater talking shit, I do my homework and i'm usually pretty damn good at predicting this stuff. What i'm seeing is bad. A black Wii is not going to fix it.