19th July 2009, 4:47 AM
Godammit bean. You make these all encompassing claims and then I have to come in and explain and everything, I am not smart enough to undo all the brainwashing this terrordome has injected in to you, but I will try. Lord help me I will try. *gets headband* *secretly likes the in depth discussion* *plays remixed 80's love songs*
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1.) He's deformed and doesn't even look human while the white male is depicted as subtle and sophisticated. If he (honky) was in the same art style, it would just be a bizarre comic. The other factor is his speech, but of course the 'yas boss' dialogue is something that came from the fact that blacks during that time (implied) simply weren't educated, but it should be noted, their dialect sounded exactly like any uneducated southerner. Its a spoken southern dialect. Black, white or whatever. It could be easily used to make fun of southern people in general.
2.) The idea that a black waiter is serving watermelon to a white customer is not racist. The implied hate is that A.) Honky is trying to bring up the fact that Bosko just wants hims a big ol' watermelon piece, you get the idea that he is indirectly belittling him as if there are others present at the table and is trying to direct attention to his poor judgment and unsophisticated dialect and manners. B.) That he's a slave and he is speaking to his owner, that's not racist. That happened, there is no implied hate, that is the way things were.
Ultimately what do we have? What hate is actually being expressed to a race of people in that particular pic? It specifically draws attention to the appearance of blacks and makes them look to be more monstrous than human and that they have poor judgment on what a large enough piece of fruit is acceptable for one person. I think we can let the last one go. But the first is very serious.
The idea that black people look more like monkeys than white people do.
...and it's a fact.
Go a head, hate me. Call me a racist, call me whatever you want. Black people look more like monkeys than whites do. In commercial use, we all see pictures of gorillas because they're common in our love of adventure and wildlife. Gorillas, always depicted as overly strong, threatening, bullish and often times as confused and dense. Whites, or any non black race for that matter, will see a black acting threatening and immediately get those same commercial images of angry apes in their head. You cant help it, everyone does it. Black people even do it to each other. Why?
Because we're apes. Blacks simply look more like modern apes, even though chimpanzees and gorillas have nothing to do with our heritage in the evolutionary climb. Perhaps broken or branched off from us at some point, but for hypothetical example: an evolved chimp would not be a human being. It's a different species. It wouldn't look like any human being at all. Saying we came from chimps is as accurate as saying birds came from reptiles. But a four legged lizard or a snake cant even begin to compare to any bird. The line of evolution doesnt exist in a form we can see, as the species it once was, has evolved on, causing its prior existence to longer be.
We are primates though, through and through. You might want to make judgments on things like 'wide' noses. Well, no one has wider noses than Inuits and the mongols, I mean wow, those are some wide load noses. How come we dont stack up "eskimos" and mountainous Asian cultures with apes? Because they dont resemble modern apes, they're just big nosed Asians. This is the problem: We are too simple in our judgments and too easily swayed in to any commercial appeal.
The fact is, blacks are and were found all over the world. They did not "all come from Africa", many did, but not all. Calling every black an African American would be like calling any Jew an Israelite (which is a totally different argument), which is completely nonsensical.
Big lips. No one says Angelina Jolie resembles an ape. In fact, women are paying a lot of money to have their lips enlarged and is usually considered very appealing to have large, pouting lips. Every woman wants big lips, big lips on a male (of any race) usually makes them look more beefy, more powerful. I have huge lips, so I get the same remarks. But these women, myself, no one says they look like an ape. Fish maybe, but no one uses the A word.
It's a combination of many features, but it's two in particular that do it for our simple minds to attach one image (a black human being) to another (an ape). The jutting brow and the black skin. No matter what, it brings forth the same image of the modern ape. When white people have a jutting brow, we call out Frankenstein! or make references to that person being slow or retarded. Or huge and powerful, depending on the rest of their features.
When a person, of any race, sees a black man or woman who doesn't have a jutting brow, we make them models. Not kidding. Sometimes the jutting brow works in their favor (to make them look more powerful) but almost by some unwritten law: The less black a black person looks, the more attractive they are in commercial use. This isn't always the case, it depends on the product, what is being sold and who is it being sold to. A jutting brow, midnight black skin (even photographed black and white to boost the effect), muscular frame, jutting lower lip and an arrogant expression; From shoes to hats to drinks and music and anything inbetween -- a powerful image of a man in power can sell anything. One look at 50 Cent and you see it in motion perfectly executed: Anyone who wants to be strong, threatening, respected and powerful will be attracted to his image.
And he looks like a modern ape. How do I get around it? We dont. It's a bullshit effect of media. The same bullshit effects that make men want girls to be size 4 with triple D's or men with 6 or 10 packs and the face of a 4 year old boy that is just a few hairs shy of being a woman (change the jaw structure and they're a perfect fit). But thats not a good example actually, as tastes in feminine and masculine charms have evolved and changed. It seems blacks have been compared to apes for centuries and it hasn't moved beyond that except by the educated who just giggle at it.
How long did you think a Panda Bear is a bear? they're actually a type of raccoon. Raccoons are related to ferrets but prairie dogs aren't. What about the realization you had while in school that dolphins, whales and etc are mammals and not fish? I think the answer is education. But it wont help that a dolphin looks like a gentle shark and a Panda looks like a big snuggly bear. Blacks carry the brunt of the commercial scope, you can find a picture of a black guy and compare it to a gorilla easily. That, by itself, is not racist. Its as harmless as taking a picture of someone and comparing it to an object or other animal, or celebrity. But its the hate that counts - does the person who is making the observation hate the race in question. And that is where the line is drawn. In fact, where the first line that was drawn in that comic you posted. A hateful message to propagate hate.
Ever seen that commercial, I think it's for... I dunno, some prescription drug or something. But it would show food on one half of the screen, and then people that resemble that food. It was pretty ingenious in some of its designs to make the people look like the food and vice versa. Disney and Pixar has a great way of making everyday objects resemble people, a tea cup handle becomes a nose and looks completely natural, etc. Disney also showed us that black people can resemble frogs or lions just as well as apes and in fact takes great pride in the idea of making people in to animals and using their facial features to match a particular animal. It is a natural human interaction, just like when we talk to a stinky pile of laundry or yell at our computers to breath lfe in to inanimate objects, or imagine animals as if they were people.
We can even make a lighthearted joke of 'lol Britney looks like an angry vulture in that pic" or what have you, so its all very inherent.
So here we are, looking down the barrel of these horrible claims that its natural to see black people with strong black features compared to modern apes in physical appearance and we load the gun with the question: Is it racist?
The answer is no. Anything you say or do towards a race you hate is racist. So if you're racist, the answer is yes.
If that image you posted had a black man depicted with subtlety and sophistication like the whitey is, and mind you this is a trick question, would it still be racist? I'm very curious to what your answer would be.
Now i'll just hit up your specific points in the next post.
1.) He's deformed and doesn't even look human while the white male is depicted as subtle and sophisticated. If he (honky) was in the same art style, it would just be a bizarre comic. The other factor is his speech, but of course the 'yas boss' dialogue is something that came from the fact that blacks during that time (implied) simply weren't educated, but it should be noted, their dialect sounded exactly like any uneducated southerner. Its a spoken southern dialect. Black, white or whatever. It could be easily used to make fun of southern people in general.
2.) The idea that a black waiter is serving watermelon to a white customer is not racist. The implied hate is that A.) Honky is trying to bring up the fact that Bosko just wants hims a big ol' watermelon piece, you get the idea that he is indirectly belittling him as if there are others present at the table and is trying to direct attention to his poor judgment and unsophisticated dialect and manners. B.) That he's a slave and he is speaking to his owner, that's not racist. That happened, there is no implied hate, that is the way things were.
Ultimately what do we have? What hate is actually being expressed to a race of people in that particular pic? It specifically draws attention to the appearance of blacks and makes them look to be more monstrous than human and that they have poor judgment on what a large enough piece of fruit is acceptable for one person. I think we can let the last one go. But the first is very serious.
The idea that black people look more like monkeys than white people do.
...and it's a fact.
Go a head, hate me. Call me a racist, call me whatever you want. Black people look more like monkeys than whites do. In commercial use, we all see pictures of gorillas because they're common in our love of adventure and wildlife. Gorillas, always depicted as overly strong, threatening, bullish and often times as confused and dense. Whites, or any non black race for that matter, will see a black acting threatening and immediately get those same commercial images of angry apes in their head. You cant help it, everyone does it. Black people even do it to each other. Why?
Because we're apes. Blacks simply look more like modern apes, even though chimpanzees and gorillas have nothing to do with our heritage in the evolutionary climb. Perhaps broken or branched off from us at some point, but for hypothetical example: an evolved chimp would not be a human being. It's a different species. It wouldn't look like any human being at all. Saying we came from chimps is as accurate as saying birds came from reptiles. But a four legged lizard or a snake cant even begin to compare to any bird. The line of evolution doesnt exist in a form we can see, as the species it once was, has evolved on, causing its prior existence to longer be.
We are primates though, through and through. You might want to make judgments on things like 'wide' noses. Well, no one has wider noses than Inuits and the mongols, I mean wow, those are some wide load noses. How come we dont stack up "eskimos" and mountainous Asian cultures with apes? Because they dont resemble modern apes, they're just big nosed Asians. This is the problem: We are too simple in our judgments and too easily swayed in to any commercial appeal.
The fact is, blacks are and were found all over the world. They did not "all come from Africa", many did, but not all. Calling every black an African American would be like calling any Jew an Israelite (which is a totally different argument), which is completely nonsensical.
Big lips. No one says Angelina Jolie resembles an ape. In fact, women are paying a lot of money to have their lips enlarged and is usually considered very appealing to have large, pouting lips. Every woman wants big lips, big lips on a male (of any race) usually makes them look more beefy, more powerful. I have huge lips, so I get the same remarks. But these women, myself, no one says they look like an ape. Fish maybe, but no one uses the A word.
It's a combination of many features, but it's two in particular that do it for our simple minds to attach one image (a black human being) to another (an ape). The jutting brow and the black skin. No matter what, it brings forth the same image of the modern ape. When white people have a jutting brow, we call out Frankenstein! or make references to that person being slow or retarded. Or huge and powerful, depending on the rest of their features.
When a person, of any race, sees a black man or woman who doesn't have a jutting brow, we make them models. Not kidding. Sometimes the jutting brow works in their favor (to make them look more powerful) but almost by some unwritten law: The less black a black person looks, the more attractive they are in commercial use. This isn't always the case, it depends on the product, what is being sold and who is it being sold to. A jutting brow, midnight black skin (even photographed black and white to boost the effect), muscular frame, jutting lower lip and an arrogant expression; From shoes to hats to drinks and music and anything inbetween -- a powerful image of a man in power can sell anything. One look at 50 Cent and you see it in motion perfectly executed: Anyone who wants to be strong, threatening, respected and powerful will be attracted to his image.
And he looks like a modern ape. How do I get around it? We dont. It's a bullshit effect of media. The same bullshit effects that make men want girls to be size 4 with triple D's or men with 6 or 10 packs and the face of a 4 year old boy that is just a few hairs shy of being a woman (change the jaw structure and they're a perfect fit). But thats not a good example actually, as tastes in feminine and masculine charms have evolved and changed. It seems blacks have been compared to apes for centuries and it hasn't moved beyond that except by the educated who just giggle at it.
How long did you think a Panda Bear is a bear? they're actually a type of raccoon. Raccoons are related to ferrets but prairie dogs aren't. What about the realization you had while in school that dolphins, whales and etc are mammals and not fish? I think the answer is education. But it wont help that a dolphin looks like a gentle shark and a Panda looks like a big snuggly bear. Blacks carry the brunt of the commercial scope, you can find a picture of a black guy and compare it to a gorilla easily. That, by itself, is not racist. Its as harmless as taking a picture of someone and comparing it to an object or other animal, or celebrity. But its the hate that counts - does the person who is making the observation hate the race in question. And that is where the line is drawn. In fact, where the first line that was drawn in that comic you posted. A hateful message to propagate hate.
Ever seen that commercial, I think it's for... I dunno, some prescription drug or something. But it would show food on one half of the screen, and then people that resemble that food. It was pretty ingenious in some of its designs to make the people look like the food and vice versa. Disney and Pixar has a great way of making everyday objects resemble people, a tea cup handle becomes a nose and looks completely natural, etc. Disney also showed us that black people can resemble frogs or lions just as well as apes and in fact takes great pride in the idea of making people in to animals and using their facial features to match a particular animal. It is a natural human interaction, just like when we talk to a stinky pile of laundry or yell at our computers to breath lfe in to inanimate objects, or imagine animals as if they were people.
We can even make a lighthearted joke of 'lol Britney looks like an angry vulture in that pic" or what have you, so its all very inherent.
So here we are, looking down the barrel of these horrible claims that its natural to see black people with strong black features compared to modern apes in physical appearance and we load the gun with the question: Is it racist?
The answer is no. Anything you say or do towards a race you hate is racist. So if you're racist, the answer is yes.
If that image you posted had a black man depicted with subtlety and sophistication like the whitey is, and mind you this is a trick question, would it still be racist? I'm very curious to what your answer would be.
Now i'll just hit up your specific points in the next post.