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    12th June 2009, 4:06 PM
    Quote:You misread me, I have nothing against transsexuals, gays, etc. People can do what they like with their lives.

    Actually, because you keep calling him a "she", you clearly do. He isn't a woman anymore.

    Quote:My point is that regardless of all the surgery this person gets, SHE is still a woman biologically, if not mentally. A woman having a baby is not newsworthy.

    A transexual man having a baby is, however.

    Fittisize Wrote:I agree. I think it's a pretty significant point of contention that many transsexuals struggle with, the fact that many people see gender as only being physical when in reality it extends much deeper than that. It reminds me of the "argument" between homosexuality being a choice or something you really can't control, which is probably why the LGBT community tends to be so tight knit. People are unwilling to accept others for who they are, opting instead to label them by what they think they are. Whatever. "Pregnant man"? Fine, go ahead and be pregnant, man.

    You're absolutely correct. That's exactly why it is such an important issue -- because of how much it matters, and how important labels are. Saying that a transexual person is not their current gender is indeed just like saying that a gay person isn't really biologically gay, they just chose to be that way and could change back if they wanted to... so yeah, that's defininitely why the GBLT community is so close.

    Dark Jaguar Wrote:Whatever this means to that person as an individual, it's extremely misleading to say "man has a baby" in the way they are sensationalizing it to be.

    The whole point of accepting transexual people as transexual is to counter incorrect beliefs like this one you just said here. That is wrong. I've already explained why though, so I won't repeat myself.

    Of course you're right that we can't actually change someone's genes from XX to XY (or some rarer one that causes the kinds of gender uncertainties to a 'normal' one, should such a person actually desire it) can't be done, and we can't make a man into a fully functioning woman and vice versa. But really... at this point, THAT IS NOT THE POINT of getting transgender rights. You're looking at the whole issue completely wrong, focusing on the physical instead of the mental... but as humans, the mental is probably the more important aspect. The focus is on FEELING like the gender someone wants to change to -- with hormones and lifestyle, primarily.

    I'm sure that if true reassignment was possible many transgender people would be interested, but given that many do not even do the surgeries we can, not all would I'd guess. But that's just not the point... there's more to gender than just that. And that's the point.

    Geno Wrote:The best he can do is have plastic surgery to shape his vagina into something resembling a penis, and beyond being able to urinate from said penis, he is unable to function as a man any further than that. He still has ovaries and a womb. That's something every transsexual should be aware of before having a sex change. Though it may not be the case with this person, some people don't seem to be aware that sex change operations are just cosmetic and do not biologically change one's gender. Mental gender? That's a whole other issue.

    To transexual people, the mental/hormonal aspect is usually considered more important than the physical aspect... that is, if you're living as the gender of your choice, and perhaps taking hormone drugs, that's enough. It isn't all that common to actually go through with full surgery. This makes sense really, because the brain is our most important organ, and if you're thinking and living as the gender you feel you properly belong to, it's satisfying.

    Focusing just on the genitalia is something people outside do, but not people within the transsexual community.

    (This doesn't help with people who don't have a clear gender and are kind of half one way and half the other, but it does with people who do have a clear gender they belong to mentally, at least)
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