14th March 2008, 6:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 14th March 2008, 6:24 PM by Dark Jaguar.)
Okay GR, tell me, what was this other movie and what was it's evidence?
Also, are you seriously saying that you are one of those people who say "they had a chart, that's evidence"? Forming an opinion on something like global warming isn't easy, and it does take looking into the existing research. One need not actually do the experiments themselves and it's enough to find the results of experiments posted online.
Here's the very first thing to get out of the way. Global warming is not caused by the sun. The sun's temp is pretty stable, and we get closer and further by a few thousand miles year round. Sun spots are "cooler" only relative to the tempurature of the other parts of the sun, and they are caused by the swirling chaotic nature of the sun's magnetic field (it is chaotic because the different regions of the sun as it rotates actually rotate at different speeds, which is to say if you look at it, the middle is actually spinning so much faster it drags the poles around it, like a fast current next to a slow one).
http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/...r-induced/
As he points out, if it was induced by the sun, Mercury would have an incredibly greater amount of warming, and Pluto's would be so small we wouldn't notice it. Remember, light diminishes by the square of the distance.
That out of the way, here's one more thing to keep in mind. Global warming is bad whether it's caused by us or not. Nature worship is just plain stupid.
Oh, here's another important point. Local weather does not represent total climate. There are going to be some unusually cold winters in a few cities and a few unusually hot summers in some others. Taken alone, none of that is evidence for or against global warming. The important thing is trends taken globally. Which is to say, take the average weather for all places we can measure and stretch that over time. Is there a common average trend to warming? I'm sure you've seen enough charts to show that, yes, there is a trend towards warming.
(As an aside, philosophically arguing that selfishness can never destroy the earth because that denies the heroism of man is outright retarded. I shouldn't have to explain why. I have actually heard this argument before. I honestly don't know why they thought it was a reasonable argument. Basically ANY claim on scientific truth based on philosophical arguments tend to be moronic.)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...085036.htm
http://www.wmo.ch/pages/index_en.html
Here are some places to start.
Also, are you seriously saying that you are one of those people who say "they had a chart, that's evidence"? Forming an opinion on something like global warming isn't easy, and it does take looking into the existing research. One need not actually do the experiments themselves and it's enough to find the results of experiments posted online.
Here's the very first thing to get out of the way. Global warming is not caused by the sun. The sun's temp is pretty stable, and we get closer and further by a few thousand miles year round. Sun spots are "cooler" only relative to the tempurature of the other parts of the sun, and they are caused by the swirling chaotic nature of the sun's magnetic field (it is chaotic because the different regions of the sun as it rotates actually rotate at different speeds, which is to say if you look at it, the middle is actually spinning so much faster it drags the poles around it, like a fast current next to a slow one).
http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/...r-induced/
As he points out, if it was induced by the sun, Mercury would have an incredibly greater amount of warming, and Pluto's would be so small we wouldn't notice it. Remember, light diminishes by the square of the distance.
That out of the way, here's one more thing to keep in mind. Global warming is bad whether it's caused by us or not. Nature worship is just plain stupid.
Oh, here's another important point. Local weather does not represent total climate. There are going to be some unusually cold winters in a few cities and a few unusually hot summers in some others. Taken alone, none of that is evidence for or against global warming. The important thing is trends taken globally. Which is to say, take the average weather for all places we can measure and stretch that over time. Is there a common average trend to warming? I'm sure you've seen enough charts to show that, yes, there is a trend towards warming.
(As an aside, philosophically arguing that selfishness can never destroy the earth because that denies the heroism of man is outright retarded. I shouldn't have to explain why. I have actually heard this argument before. I honestly don't know why they thought it was a reasonable argument. Basically ANY claim on scientific truth based on philosophical arguments tend to be moronic.)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...085036.htm
http://www.wmo.ch/pages/index_en.html
Here are some places to start.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)