Should morality be legislated?

[Sacred Jellybean]

Someone in their late 20's would be far more likely given being mentally psychically fully developed to make a more mature decision, Like not using Abortion for contraception given the side effects like you pointed out. I think something your not getting here as well that Dmiller keeps trying to communicate , If she can get pregnant then she can also get infected with a STD especially being sexually active with multiple partners.

STD infection is only a risk if the partners the woman sleeps with are diseased. It's perfectly possible for her to be monogamous if her partner is clean, or polygamous if her partners are clean, and not have to worry about STDs. Of course, abortions aren't exactly practical, emotionally or financially...

I think many that are squeamish about abortion might be willing to grant emergency cases , But have trouble dealing with it when it come to frequent overuse. To Christians it violates gods plan

I don't believe in predestination and am not religious, so this argument is somewhat lost on me. How can we be certain what "God's plan" is, though? For all we know, God wants us to utilize abortions and be masters of our own domain. Who can be presumptuous enough to truly know a deity's intent?

Hypothetically, God could also frown upon us using medication or drinking alcohol. Maybe it's in God's plan that people should live a natural life, and when a terminal illness strikes, people ought to accept that their time has come and refuse treatment.

Religious beliefs, aside from freedom of religion, should most certainly not play a hand in government.

Its the first time in history people have the ability to control human reproduction and even plan copulation,

Technically, any contraceptive is used to that end. I, and I think most (if not all) people here don't buy into the idea that contraceptives are immoral, though.

unless you mean castration the only old method around.Smashing Gonads was a form of capital punish right up to the middle ages , In fact the word testimony comes from testicles , Giving false testimony means they take your nuts away , The bible says Eunuchs couldn't be trusted.

Interesting... and painful to think about.

but everything you talked about makes me wonder is what the near future going to be about ? Single people who have no faith in marriage no desire for family just want to knock up women all the time so they can have them riped out at a clinic later...

You and I may not agree with it, but I disagree even further than actions should be taken to make promiscuity and lack of so-called "family values" illegal.

lets all be thankful our mothers didn't abort us!

Oh please, don't give me this. It's an argument that appeals entirely to emotion. Our mothers didn't abort us. It's no more relevant than saying "Let's all be thankful that our fathers weren't using condoms when we were conceived", or "let's all be thankful that the fertilized egg from which we developed wasn't wasted and washed out during her subsequent premenstrual stage" (not all fertilized eggs lead to pregnancy), or "let's all be thankful that a murderous madman didn't slaughter our mothers 3 days before we were delivered".

I simply don't believe that a potential child is as precious as an actual child. Perhaps that changes when the child is delivered, or some time during the 3rd trimester, but the definition is subjective. An embryo hasn't taken its first breath, or even existed long enough to even begin to have an idea of what you and I call life.

George Carlin makes some great points on the "Sanctity of Life" shpiel:

But don't be giving me all this shit about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it's something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? 'Cuz we're alive. Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shit, do you? We're not hearing a whole lot from Musolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. 'Cuz JFK, Musolini and Abbott and Costello are fucking dead. They're fucking dead. And dead people give less than a shit about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self serving, man-made bullshit story.

It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. 'Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitos and flies. 'Cuz they're pests. Lions and tigers. 'Cuz it's fun! Chickens and pigs. 'Cuz we're hungry. Pheasants and quails. 'Cuz it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people... 'Cuz they're pests. And it's fun!

And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says "Save the tumors.". Or "I brake for advanced melanoma.". No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole fucking thing up!

Makes me wonder if all that child sacrifice done in ancient times was some form of post birth abortion.

It's possible, but I find that to be more brutal than aborting an embryo.