DJ has a gender...really...this is the poll

[Smoke]

I found something a while back that proves DJ isn't a girl. It also explained the whole Karen thing. I showed it to DJ and ABF. DJ's a bit paranoid though and removed it so now nobody else can find it.

[Great Rumbler]

Paranoid about WHAT?

[Smoke]

You know that guestbook you found? That was just part of Dark Jaguar's website. On it he said he removed personal information about himself because someone told him it wasn't safe. I found an older version of the site that had that personal information. The page I found was from 1998.

DJ edited that page you found to make it look like his name is Karen. He's having fun at your expense. DJ's a guy, accept it.

[OB1]

You really believe that? Sounds like bullshit to me.

[Smoke]

There was nothing to "believe". I found his old website where he gave out personal info. This was from 1998.

Just accept the fact that DJ is male and you are gullible.

[A Black Falcon]

Didn't you say you wouldn't say, Smoke?

Unless you consider this just a part of messing with OB1... which it could be considered to be, given that conveniently our evidence has been deleted... :)

[Smoke]

I got bored with this. OB1 won't believe anything I say though anyway since that would mean he was wrong which of course is impossible.

[A Black Falcon]

That is probably true. :) Even if we COULD still link to the site OB1 would probably not believe us...

Well, we do have the chatlog. But would he even believe THAT? We could have faked it, after all! :p

[Great Rumbler]

How did you find that website? I know I searched forever trying to find something and all I came up with was that one page with the guest log.

[Smoke]

The Wayback Machine

It used to have "Dark Jaguar's Japanese Entertainment Home Page" in it's archive but ABF recently alerted me to the fact that that page has now been blocked.

[A Black Falcon]

DJ shouldn't have done that, I think. I know, the whole thing about "but I have a puzzle with a trail ending somewhere etc etc"... but it's been a year or two and no one has gotten beyond the first step! It didn't work, DJ. Your puzzle was far too complex for the people here to even begin to figure out...

[Great Rumbler]

Blocked Site Error.

What's the point?

[A Black Falcon]

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Can you read, GR? Like, oh, our posts, for instance?

I found something a while back that proves DJ isn't a girl. It also explained the whole Karen thing. I showed it to DJ and ABF. DJ's a bit paranoid though and removed it so now nobody else can find it.

Unless you consider this just a part of messing with OB1... which it could be considered to be, given that conveniently our evidence has been deleted...

That is probably true. Even if we COULD still link to the site OB1 would probably not believe us...

Well, we do have the chatlog. But would he even believe THAT? We could have faked it, after all!

It used to have "Dark Jaguar's Japanese Entertainment Home Page" in it's archive but ABF recently alerted me to the fact that that page has now been blocked./quote]

[quote]DJ shouldn't have done that, I think. I know, the whole thing about "but I have a puzzle with a trail ending somewhere etc etc"... but it's been a year or two and no one has gotten beyond the first step! It didn't work, DJ. Your puzzle was far too complex for the people here to even begin to figure out...

Could we possibly be any clearer? No, I don't think so. So why in the world make a strange comment like that? It's like you didn't understand anything we've been saying... which is impossible if you'd been paying attention at all...

[Great Rumbler]

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[A Black Falcon]

The point is that now that site gets Blocked Site Error, obviously!

[Great Rumbler]

What's the point? = Why would DJ do something like that?

:shake:

[A Black Falcon]

Paranoia, not wanting people to actually be able to ever figure out the truth, or he really wanted people to try to figure out his impossible puzzle (if in two years no one has figured out that there even IS a puzzle (and once they figure out there is one they cannot get beyond the recognition "okay, perhaps there is a puzzle, but we have no further information"), it's impossible. :)). One of those three things.

[Smoke]

Well it had DJ's name and age on it. With that kind of information I could steal his identity and charge thousands of dollars to credit cards in his name! I mean, it's his NAME and AGE!

[A Black Falcon]

Oh right, I forgot that... yeah, he definitely should have hidden it... identity theft is a major problem these days, after all... :)

And everyone knows that all you need is a name and birthdate, right?

[Great Rumbler]

I think it would take more than your first and last name and your age to steal your identity, notwithstanding that the odds that someone would dig up that old information and then use it in some maliscious manner is approximately -2%.

[A Black Falcon]

So consider it a personality quirk of DJ's, not something logically based? That works... :)

[Great Rumbler]

I think DJ really is crazy.

[OB1]

Why would I be afraid of admitting that DJ is not a girl? You idiots make no sense whatsoever. If DJ turns out to be a guy then I will be very surprised, but more than happy to find out the truth.

However, your "word" doesn't convince me of anything. For all I know you're just bullshitting with me.

What's DJ's first name, then?

[Great Rumbler]

You're fighting an uphill battle, I think.

[OB1]

I'm fighting nothing. If anyone has any real evidence that proves that DJ is a guy, by all means present it! I really don't care that much. But right now, that website you found so long ago is more convincing than just Smoke's word, especially since he and ABF said that they were trying to "trick" me or whatever.

So yeah.

[Great Rumbler]

What I meant is it's unlikely that they'll tell you what DJ's name is. Actually, Smoke might say, he's already said more than ABF would tell me in over 30 minutes on MSN. Something about not telling me anything because I'd tell you or some such.

[OB1]

So why should I believe them?

I think this is just a part of their game, and I really don't care...

[Great Rumbler]

Well, I'd certainly like to know if I'm using the right personal pronouns when I refer to DJ.

[A Black Falcon]

Smoke is telling the truth.

[Great Rumbler]

Unless that site was just another trick and DJ only said it was real to throw you off the track!!!

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It could be!

[A Black Falcon]

No. It's web.archive.org. It was definitely an exact copy of the site as it was in 1998. So as I said, the only way for it to be faked was if DJ had been trying to trick people about his gender since before TC even existed... and I think that's doubtful. :)

But hey, disbelieve if you want. You'd just be almost certainly wrong.

[Great Rumbler]

I'm just making sure that we've covered all the possiblities!

[A Black Falcon]

DJ being so paranod that DJ hid DJ's identity even before DJ knew much of anyone on the internet (intentionally not using gender pronouns)? :)

That one isn't covered. But the rest are, I think...

[Weltall]

Don't just point us at archive.org. Give us the actual link on there to where this information can be seen. I don't know what to search for.

[A Black Falcon]

:bang:

READ THE POSTS!

[Weltall]

I did. Smoke gave a link to the Wayback Machine, with the addendum that the information I'm looking for is no longer there.

So you'll forgive the rest of us if we don't believe you.

[A Black Falcon]

The only proof we have is the chatlog from when Smoke found it, and that'd probably convince people... but I wouldn't want to post DJ's (first, we already know DJ's last name and first initial) name unless DJ said it was okay, and it's there...

[OB1]

I smell bullshit.

[A Black Falcon]

You were right, Smoke, he wouldn't believe you anyway, even if you did tell the truth... classic OB1. :)

And given that DJ doesn't seem to want to play, a nice way to continue the game... trust in OB1's inability to admit he's wrong, tell the truth, and watch the fun.

[OB1]

Ryan agrees with me, you two have not presented anything but conjecture. Show me some actual proof and I will believe you! I will not simply take your word for it!

[A Black Falcon]

Popcorn, Smoke?

[OB1]

Boy, you got me there! I'm so angry about this! Grrr! What could the truth be! WHAT COULD IT BE??!!!

[Great Rumbler]

I'm mad!

*still waiting for teh proof*

[Weltall]

We ALL know what DJ's first initial and last name are. K. Banks. Maybe Paco would be surprised to know that, if he had any idea why it was relevant, but to the rest of us, it was a surprise five years ago.

[OB1]

So let's see, what guy names start with K?

Kyle
Kenneth
Kopperton
Kockypoops
Kirkpatrick


I dunno, what do you guys think?

[OB1]

I'm mad!

*still waiting for teh proof*

OMG you just can't admit that you're WRONG even though you have no reason to believe Smoke and ABF!!

OMG!!!11111

[A Black Falcon]

Those names are wrong. :)

[Great Rumbler]

Well, I'm still waiting for the proof.

[Smoke]

You want me to link the site? Fine but it doesn't go anywhere anymore since I showed it to DJ. You can email them if you don't want your site archived and have it removed. But if you still want the link here it is: Dark Jaguar's Japanese Entertainment Home Page

I'll only tell you DJ's name if he says it's okay but he doesn't seem to want to comment on any of this. It wouldn't prove anything anyway. You could say I'm lying. I have no way to prove this without him admitting it's true publicly. All I can tell you is I'm not lying and have no reason to. We weren't trying to "trick" OB1. We were trying to bug him. Big difference. :p

But yeah you already know his last name and first initial. Keep guessing boy K names and I'm sure you'll get it.

[OB1]

Why? I still don't buy it, since you guys said you were out to trick me or whatever. And frankly I don't care...

Let me know when you can provide some real evidence. I'll be more than happy to accept it.