PD Zero to be shown for XB2 at E3

[OB1]

According to IGN. I'm too lazy to quote or even give you a link...

[Great Rumbler]

Well it's about time!

[Dark Jaguar]

Hmm, this time we might actually get more than some concept art stickers on the side of a cubical wall!

[Great Rumbler]

Of course even if it is shown at E3 this year it'll still be at least 10 more years before PDZ is actually released.

[OB1]

Hey who knows, maybe it'll actually be an XB2 launch title. That would certainly get me to buy one immediately.



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Yeah right.

[Dark Jaguar]

Well hey, I'd want it, and I'm sure that it would be something that would sell the system like Halo did, so long as they campaigned it correctly. For example, stick the Master Chief in as a bonus character for multiplayer, and take up HALF the cover of the box advertising that fact :D.

[A Black Falcon]

Yeah, this rumor has been around for a while... I wouldn't be surprised at all.

The only question is, will it come out in 2005, 2006, or 2007... :)

[Great Rumbler]

20X6!

[A Black Falcon]

20X6... :D

[Smoke]

If Perfect Dark Zero is a launch title I may just have to buy an Xbox 360 at launch. Imagine PD with incredible graphics and online multiplayer.

:far-out:

[Dark Jaguar]

And being able to launch double fisted rockets all day with no slow down!

[Great Rumbler]

I really don't think there's any chance of it being a launch titles, this IS Rare we're talking about here.

[A Black Falcon]

They've progressively become slower and slower in releasing games since the SNES days...

[OB1]

For all we know, though, the reason why there have been so few XB releases from them is because MS made them concentrate almost entirely on getting PD Zero out the door for the XB2 launch.


You never know...

[Great Rumbler]

You know what the chance of that being the truth is? It's like 0%! Or less!

I'm still mad at Rare for not releasing Kameo. I really wanted that game!

[A Black Falcon]

Is it ever going to come out, or is it completely dead but they won't quite admit it...

[OB1]

It was recently "put on hold" or something. I take that to mean that it's been moved to the XB2, since MS has stopped making XB1 games.

[Great Rumbler]

So it looks like we're only going to get two Rare games for the Xbox. Money well spent, Microsoft! Morans.

[A Black Falcon]

MS has said XB1 will still be getting games for at least 2006, though...

Sure, Rare probably will only release two X-Box games, but they've released five GBA games since MS bought them! ... oh wait, the GBA is a Nintendo system? Heh... :)

[Great Rumbler]

Just because I think it's necessary here:

[Dark Jaguar]

What did happen to Kameo anyway? Last I heard it was "getting close" but um, what happened?

And it is a bit odd that Rare has released like a bunch of GBA games, isn't it? :D Well, MS is making money from the GBA that way I suppose, and they don't seem to have any plans of releasing any portable systems any time soon.

Well, Rare is still releasing games at the same old rate, though mostly on GBA, but it's not really doing MS that much good. I would like to assume they've been working on Perfect Dark Zero since MS bought them, and thus might actually be able to release the thing by XB2 launch, but um...

[A Black Falcon]

Of those five games, two are SNES ports, one was "almost finished" when MS bought them (but still took another year or two to get released), and two actually were actually new games that were on normal-for-them dev cycles... I think...

You've got to wonder if MS regrets buying them, given their non-level of production and the amount of money involved... probably not, once they finally make something good, but ...

[OB1]

MS has said XB1 will still be getting games for at least 2006, though...

Haha, but of course they did. And it's true... until the end of this month, basically. Nothing set for the second half of this year. Nothing worthy of discussion.

Sure, Rare probably will only release two X-Box games, but they've released five GBA games since MS bought them! ... oh wait, the GBA is a Nintendo system? Heh...

Well GBA games can be made pretty quickly... although even then Rare took forever. They have one GBA team, just a handful of people.



And I doubt MS regrets buying Rare. They did basically get them for XB2 and beyond. So it's definitely too early to say that.

[A Black Falcon]

But on the N64 Rare produced so much... it's really a pretty huge contrast, their N64 production vs GC/X-Box... I know, learning X-Box took time. But still I'd have expected more than two games...

[OB1]

They were bought AFTER the Xbox came out, a system that has only been out for 3 years. Give them a break. Rare was with Nintendo long before the N64 was released.

Is PD0 is playable for the XB2 at E3... man, MS just might take the show.

[A Black Falcon]

But they still managed eight top-quality N64 games, versus two of arguably lesser quality for this generation... and their third game? The single player is an N64 remake!

If they can show PD0, though, and it's as good as it could be... yeah, that could make up for it, but still, this generation has been bad for Rare.

[OB1]

Comparing this generation to the last is simply unfair. During the N64's lifespan things were great for Rare, then everything changed dramatically. Their lead directors and many designers left to form their own studios and then they went from being a 2nd party of Nintendo to a 2nd party of Microsoft. Those are huge changes, so it's amazing that we got any games from them this gen. The real test will be the XB2.

[A Black Falcon]

Actually, they did 9 or 10 N64 games, not just 8... even worse in comparison... losing those people obviously has hurt them. But when did those people leave? Was it when they left Nintendo, or before? I'm wondering because of how long it took Rare to adjust to the NGC (and then X-Box), compared to the N64, where they had Blast Corps out quickly and kept the games coming...

[Smoke]

Do you two have to fight over every last fucking thing? Here, I'll settle this: You're both wrong! There.

[A Black Falcon]

It doesn't work unless you have a defendable point... or at least defend your point whether or not it's defendable. :)

[Smoke]

Fine, my point is that by arguing you two are both wrong. It may not be a good point, it may not even make sense but I'll defend it to the death.

[A Black Falcon]

Well... you're wrong that we're both wrong. So there. :)

[Smoke]

I never said hamburgers are better than cheeseburgers!

[Dark Jaguar]

Yeah? Well give me back my sweater!

[OB1]

How am I wrong? Rare takes a very long time to make games, and in the last four years they went from losing some of their main lead designers to redoing a game on one platform for another as well as changing the license (SFA), to being bought out by another huge company and having to shift all of their GC games to the Xbox, and that was over a year into the system's lifespan, a console that is going to be replaced by a successor in it's third year. To compare that to their situation on the N64 is ludicrous.

[Smoke]

I never said you were wrong! Where did I say you were wrong? This is all about semantics!

[OB1]

...

[A Black Falcon]

Actually, the X-Box is going to be released after about four years. Still quite short, for a console... longer than the GBC (2.5 years), but shorter than even the N64 (five years; 4.5 if you remember that for much of the last six months the N64 got no games at all. :))...

Sure, it's a bit unfair to compare because Rare had to start its games over and lost a bunch of people. But it's the same company, so you can't help but compare, and the current Rare doesn't come off looking like the better company.

[OB1]

Three years, four years, same thing. Rare was bought out what, two and a half years ago? And now all of their projects are being moved to XB2. That's not their fault.

[A Black Falcon]

Their very long development cycles are... sure, they make good games, but shouldn't they be able to produce more than this given the size of their company?

[Great Rumbler]

But wasn't Kameo getting close to completion BEFORE Microsoft bought them? Surely it shouldn't have taken them this long just to port it over to the Xbox.

[OB1]

Not with the shit they've gone through in the past four years! Read my post again!

[Great Rumbler]

They'd still have everything they'd worked on up to that point. Besides, not too long after MS bought them out they released a bunch of new Kameo stuff, so obviously they'd done something with it. We haven't heard ANYTHING about it since then.

[OB1]

Because the XB is dead as of this summer!

[A Black Falcon]

About as dead as the GBA after the release of the DS? I mean, they have a large installed base, it'd be silly to just stop supporting it...

[OB1]

They're not releasing any more big games starting in... now.

[Great Rumbler]

We haven't heard anything about Kameo in over a YEAR.

[OB1]

That's not true.

[Private Hudson]

No, you're not true!

[Great Rumbler]

That's not true.

Almost! According to IGN their last new article about Kameo was posted on June 28, 2004. That's nearly a year!