Worrisome trends

[alien space marine]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.j...0425043700

Does Pakistan pose a global threat?

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said Pakistan poses a "mortal threat" to world security. Do you agree?

Mrs Clinton said Pakistan has abdicated power to the Taleban by allowing them to control parts of the country, such as the Swat Valley in north-western Pakistan.

Earlier this month Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari signed a law implementing Sharia Law in the Swat Valley region as part of a two-year deal to end the Taleban insurgency.

The area, situated 100km (62 miles) from Islamabad, was formerly one of Pakistan's most popular holiday destinations.

Are Pakistan's actions jeopardising world security? Should nations consider the international impact when resolving disputes within their national boundaries? What pressure can or should the rest of the world bring to bear on Pakistan?

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Published: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 10:30 GMT 11:30 UK

I am surprised that it has taken so long for the U.S to recognize this in spite of a lot of scholars evidence. A nuclear power, with a lot of poor people, haven for fundamentalists and terrorists, a very unstable government which is still unsure when the military will do a coup, filled with corruption, getting billions of dollars in aids- what do you expect? Until the educated Pakistanis who live there and abroad decide to take a path towards development, its always going to pose a threat.

Etymology of Pakistan : "Land of Pure"

In plain english, "Land of Puritans"

We should have gone into these remote areas of Pakistan and tracked down and bagged those bastards!

Instead the impetuous intellectual light weight George dubya Bush, Self dubbed the great decider, So obsessively needed to decide at that moment in 2002 that Iraq needed to be bombed , He thought he'd be the tough guy and take on that rascal Saddam who tried to kill his daddy back in 1993.

Got uncle Cheney to crank out the water boarding on the detainees ,Until they caved in and gave them what they wanted see a terrorist confessing that Saddam and Al'qeada were linked.

Now eight years have gone, Nobody trusts the U.S anymore,Many inside and outside regard the USA as the evil empire, Even so far as to say that 9/11 was a inside job.

The world economy is in the shitter , We got swine flu in Mexico, Taliban edging closer to taking over Pakistan a nuclear armed nation!

USA is supposed to be the first born child of Europe's enlightenment. If you are brought to a state of disgrace and shame by the deeds of your government,Faith in Jeffersonianism the remodel which all western developed nations follow is injured by that.

At present any future military action against Al'qeada will have even less public support in the west and east (Muslim) . People now dismiss the war on terror as concealed disguised imperialism,Can you blame them? The war in iraq was just that!!

Americas image is now still stained and tainted by Bush, A change in President is not enough to alter that.

The only remedy is to prosecute the former administration for its unlawful conduct. Lock'em away for 20-30 years.




Now on a bright note!

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[Weltall]

And to think: If Bill Clinton had taken Bin Laden when the Sudanese government offered him up to us on a silver platter, very little of this would have ever happened.

And now Mexican Swine Flu is America's fault, too?

I think people just look for reasons to be angry sometimes.

[alien space marine]

And to think: If Bill Clinton had taken Bin Laden when the Sudanese government offered him up to us on a silver platter, very little of this would have ever happened.

And now Mexican Swine Flu is America's fault, too?

I think people just look for reasons to be angry sometimes.

Well I agree with you on the Clinton thing, It may not have prevented 9/11, Al'qeada is not centered on one man, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind behind 9/11,There is plenty of other jihad clubs who would have loved to pull off an attack on continental USA.



The pig flu is entirely Al Gores fault!!

[A Black Falcon]

Ahh, now there's a great photograph... :)

And yeah, Pakistan and Afghanistan are most likely our greatest security threats today, no question. There are plenty of problem areas, but nothing else is quite as dangerous as that...

Though really, overall, the world is still significantly more peaceful now than it has been at most points in history. Things are getting better overall... we just have instant access to anything that happens anywhere, so things just seem to be getting worse.

[Weltall]

...Wow. I agree with you entirely. For perhaps the first time in probably ever.

[A Black Falcon]

What, even the Bush picture?

[Weltall]

ASM: Al-Qaeda would likely have had a much, much more difficult time planning and executing such an attack without Bin Laden, if not for his thoughts and ideas, then for the vast amounts of wealth in his possession.

ABF: I'll agree that the picture is humorous. D=

My political views have, over time, are closer to the center now than they were five years ago.

And the Singularity is coming, anyway.

[A Black Falcon]

Really, it's Cheney who is the really bad one... Bush is a criminal for going along with him and allowing him to do the stuff he did, but the ideas in the first place came from Cheney's gang for sure.

Anyway, on the subject here, Pakistan really is a huge, huge problem... I don't really know what can be done about it. Their army can't beat the religious fundamentalists, and doesn't really want to try (they want to save their strongest efforts for fighting India, and may need the radicals' help if that happened...). Pakistan pretty much supported the Taliban through much of the '90s, you know... it hasn't changed all that much. But what can we do? Overthrowing governments should not be an option, so all we can really do is keep trying to convince them to do the right thing... but they just don't seem to really want to try. Hence the depth of the problem. :(

(When the Pakistani president has to say "Our nuclear weapons are safe from the Taliban", you know it's time to worry...)

[alien space marine]

India and Pakistan need to be disarmed of nuclear weapons.

We should have no faith in Pakistan ability to safeguard its nuclear arsenal from terrorists, When they cant even protect their politicians and maintain control of a 3rd of their country, Hell the Taliban are even challenging their authority in Islamabad.

The Kashmir conflict is a urgent pressing matter, Nuclear disbarment can only happen once that feud is settled.

On another note