Whoo! 2,009 post! (AKA: What is French? Debate)

[Fittisize]

Indians in Canada prefer to be called "First Nation", not Indians, Natives, Native-Canadians, Wagon-Burners, or any thing else. Do you dispute that, saying that they can't be called First-Nation, but Canadians, because they live and were born in Canada? Canada has an official policy of multi-culturalism, and calling people by their respective titles, titles that they have chosen, helps preserve that policy.

I can say that you are gay. That can mean one of two things-either you are happy and euphoric, or you are attracted to men. In Canada, if somebody is French, then that can also mean two things- either you are from Quebec, or you are from France.

[alien space marine]

I could say that my donkey is a camel, but that doesn't make it anything other than a donkey. A donkey is a donkey and people born in Canada are Canadians. It doesn't have anything to do with culture.

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Argh!! This debate is so dumb!!

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Must get high and jerk to my dog

Were not talking about Donkeys and Camels!

The U.S is about imigrants, people still attache themselves to their heritage and mother lands, America never existed untill england colonized it, Then you became independant fine call yourselves whatever you want but your not a specific race or language just a community of groups sharing one house.

People in Iraq concider themselves arabs and muslims not Iraqis if you said the arabs did this and that you would be including them and all islamic and arabic nations.If you said iraqis you would be specifically refering to them individualy the same way you reffer to a specific state.Those Borders and countries were all created by england and foreign invaders, At one time they were all part of united empires stretching far everywhere.

In canada's case New France Aka Quebec and also Acadia were conquered by the brittish forces , Acadia was easily taken first since it waisnt officially part of the french empire and was kind of a private colony of french people that didnt have a large army, The Acadians had a seperate distinct culture for 200 years infact Acadia existed longer then Canada has in a time frame, But even despite that the acadians still concider themselves french and spoke the language. Then the brits from new England or shall we say colonial forces came in taken the place over, demanded the acadian french people swear loyalty to the crown of England ,they would have agreed to pay taxes but not take up arms agaist their motherland in france,They were expeled and they were sent everywhere all over north america had their farms and lands striped away after generations of maintaining it.But a large group founded New Orleans in Lousiana.

Quebec also fell , But later and not without a Fucking long war, But the Mohawk Iroquois indians and France stupidity caught up with us. The English didnt really give a crap about the french population untill after confederation day when we decided to have a democracy and call ourselves canadians and have freedom and equal rights. Quebec was determined to have its own leaders and be distingished confederation was kind of forced on them, The acadians returned from exile to find that the english and brittish colonist had swarmed the place, They are more intergrated then quebec with canada, Everywhere you go in new brunswick you will see ass loads of Acadian flags and Acadian historical sites and hole towns populated by french Acadians.



This Flag is as common as grass in new brunswick , Now can you see why french canadians still concider themselves distinctly french like french toast and french dressing, can you see now why some Would be offended by such a comment?!! These people are still demanding queen Elizabeth apologize for what happend hundreds of years ago.

What makes our history different is that canada was formed on both french and english colonies and terroritories, America was all brit colonies or imigrants who joined and asimulated just the same. What is Canadian? Thats somthing the hole country cant really come to one conclusion on, But the only common thing is we are all living in this community together.The very word Canada is based off the aboriginal word Kinada(?) which basically means village or community.

New Brunswick hosted the francophone french summit, Every french ass came to canada in that province,we lived in a small 150,000 town called moncton and we had deplomats from freaking africa and vietnam showing up much less Mr Jacque Chirac president of France taking a sofa. Mr Chirac gave his blessing to the Acadians and told them to live long and prosper without the Vulcan hand thing. The Highlights the president of Congo punched a guy in the face and was held in jail but released cause of deplomatic immunity the next year he was asasinated in his country.



Sorry for the fucking novel, but its just so fun !

[EdenMaster]

I guess I speak Canadese! I am not french cause Edenmaster says so! Edenmaster is like god he knows everything , Builds a golden alter to begin worship of Edenmaster.

It's about time someone built me a golden altar. I've been waiting forever.

You guys are taking this so seriously it's almost funny. ASM, I'll break it down for you, okay? Speaking French does not MAKE you French. You're Canadian, and you speak French.

Oh, and I don't know everything, not nearly. I just have common sense.

How hard is it to understand that French speakers in Canada are called French? Is it that difficult for you Americans to realize that people in some countries speak differently than people in other countries? I mean, I know that it's pretty strange for Americans to not understand a culture other than their own and to not be close-minded about every single other country in the world. Oh wait...

Ah, yes, and WE'RE the bad guys for labeling together a group of people under one moniker. You sure showed us, boy.

I'm going to say this as clearly as I can so it's not misinterpreted again:

*ahem*

LANGUAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NATIONALITY!

*cough*

Okay, got it? Was that too vague? If you need me to, I'll record a sound file and play it repeatedly in this thread. I don't care if you know every friggen language in the world, that doesn't make you part of every country in the world. If someone born in France learns 10 different languages, that person is still French.

Why won't this stupid, stupid debate die??

[Dark Jaguar]

I don't care about this any more, people are actually KILLING EACH OTHER over this stupid Quebec thing! What is WRONG with them? Defend yourself, so I can slap THAT right out of your hand!

[EdenMaster]

I'm moving this to Debate. I'll keep this one open, but any more fighting about this stupid topic can be done there.

[alien space marine]

I already agreed that I understood you meant France now that you made it clear. Next time you say it I'll understand and wont have the general view of all the hole planet, But if you were Canadian like me and Fitisize and Neo you wouldnt be thinking that way, Live in Quebec for a year and your view would change. The term french doesnt = France nore does English =England maybe they did at one time but its long outdated.

If you lived in france but didnt speak french or was ethnicaly french, Are you still french? You went to spain and didnt speak spainish or was a latino at all are you still spainish? They might say I live or I am from spain.
Do you not get it?

Bash france without stating specifically france and saying french instead someone might even punch you here pending which city or area your standing in. You went to china town and said the chinese were cowards who surrender they might give you a slaping too.

French isnt just a language or nationality it is a ethnicity, If I was hispanic I wouldnt call myself just plain canadian, Cause I am not just talking spainish am I am ethnicaly Hispanic.

Whats tricky is that France is were the race and language originated,Unlike Latin america they can call themselves latinos or hispanics they dont have to be known as Spainish, but if your living in canada your ancestry goes back to france and you speak francais and live in quebec or are a Acadian you are french there is no other word to describe you.When you say french there is no clear distinction between nationalities.With the sepratist movement do you not think some dont even concider themselves canadian?

Do you understand my point?

Truth is its fvcking complicated lets stop and leave it at that.

[Dark Jaguar]

If you lived in France and you didn't speak french, YES, YOU WOULD TOTALLY STILL BE FRENCH! That doesn't even make sense!

[Fittisize]

REPOST!

Edenmaster-refer to this:

In Canada, if somebody is French, then that can also mean two things- either you are from Quebec, or you are from France.

If you are a Canadian and speak French and live in Quebec, then you will fall under the title "French". It has nothing to do with the country of France, it has to do with Quebec. So why not just call them "Quebecois"? I don't know. I don't know why the people in Quebec decided to call themselves French, but I assure you, it's not because they wish they were from France, as they have tried to distance themselves from France. It's simply a word that they have adopted to distinguish themselves from the rest of Canada, and they have given it a new meaning.

I don't care about this any more, people are actually KILLING EACH OTHER over this stupid Quebec thing! What is WRONG with them? Defend yourself, so I can slap THAT right out of your hand!

*were. People WERE killing each other over this. The closest thing to a terrorist organization in Canada, the Front de Liberation du Quebec (FLQ), a group composed of radical separitists wanting Quebec to become its own nation. Unhappy with the way the French are treated within Canada, as well as in their own province, they decided to revolt against the rest of Canada in attempts to make Quebec a better province for the French. Many different events happened during the FLQ crisis, including the kidnapping of British Trade Commissioner James Cross and the kindapping of the Minister of Labour and Vice-Premeir (in Quebec) Pierre Laporte. Martial law under the War Measures Act was imposed for the first time since WWII, and over 500 people were arrested during this. Pierre Laporte was killed by the FLQ, and James Cross was released after 60 says in hostage. Every single terrorist in the FLQ was flown to Cuba under the approval of Fidel Castro (who was a close friend of the Canadian PM at the time, Pierre Trudeau).

Year this happened-October of 1970
Number of terrorists that were flown to Cuba-5
Total number of deaths-1.

This incident proved to be the most serious terrorist attack in Canada's history and the response by the government still sparks controversy. However, at the time, opinion polls showed overwhelming support in Quebec for the War Measures Act. A few critics believed that Prime Minister Trudeau was being excessive in using the War Measures Act to suspend civil liberties and that the precedent set by this incident was dangerous. The size of the FLQ organization and the number of sympathizers in the public was not known. As such, the authorities had no real idea of the scale of terrorist events that could happen. Also, for years, the wording of the FLQ communiqués strove to present an image of a powerful organization spread secretly throughout all milieus of society. Supporters of the government's strong measures also point out that there have been no equivalent terrorist incidents since 1970 and it might well be because the vigorous response by the government has been a deterrent.

(from Wikipedia)

[alien space marine]

My poor 2009 post thread!

Damn it no more wierd ideas of kicking foreign leaders in the balls.

[A Black Falcon]

French-Canadians are French-Canadians... but I could see calling them French. Though as this thread proves, that can be confusing. :D

[Great Rumbler]

Just call them "Canadians" and be done with it.

[A Black Falcon]

Don't call them that in Quebec, though... :)

[alien space marine]

Napoleon was from Belgium, But he is conciderd french?

[A Black Falcon]

He was from France. Corsica was part of France at the time.

[alien space marine]

I stand to be corrected.

[Great Rumbler]

You certaintly do.

[A Black Falcon]

He was kind of not French, though, because the Corsicans (it's an island in the Meditteranean, btw) didn't like the French that much really and had been quite unhappy under French rule...

[Dark Lord Neo]

French Canadians consider themselves to be French Canadian, and that's what they are, because that's what they choose to identify themselves as.
I know some people who moved here from the US, and there youngest kid was born here, but he still considers himself to be American, because that's what his heritage is. Does the fact that he wasn't born in the US make him any less American?

[Geno]

Zere's no Canada like French Canada,
It's ze best Canada in ze land.
And ze other Canada is hardly Canada,
If you lived here for a day, you'd understand!

[Great Rumbler]

Neat.