PSX SUCKS!

[Darunia]

N64:

--Fewer games, but of BETTER QUALITY!
--Less loading times!
--Better graphics
--Better multiplayer platform!
--Rare!
--Best franchises: Mario, Zelda, etc.
--Superior controller


PSX:

--Scratchy CDs
--...Loading...
--Many games of inferior quality

[EdenMaster]

It sometimes amuses me how I was thrust into the leadership position for much of the war, and looking back, I didn't know a damn thing about what I was talking about. Seriously. I was embarrassingly ignorant. I gave eXisTenZe and his cadre enough ammo to fill a minigun.

[Darunia]

I was thrust into the leadership position for much of the war, and looking back, I didn't know a damn thing about what I was talking about.

Now you know how Obama feels.

[A Black Falcon]

I wasn't at that site of course, but the N64's still better. :)

[Dark Jaguar]

I love the Nintenstation!

[Weltall]

CDs > Carts, so totally.

But, Carts > UMDs, it seems.

I still think the PSX was a better experience overall, but I did come to appreciate the N64 a little bit. GC and PS2 are near-equals in my heart, and the current generation, with the exception of a few games, doesn't interest me in the slightest.

[Geno]

I tried to re-register as Squall so I could sit here and argue with myself, playing both sides all the while, however I'm not allowed to create multiple accounts under the same email, so... screw it, it was a bad joke anyway.

I love both the N64 and the PSX almost equally. I think I prefer the Gamecube over the PS2 very slightly. I've never played a PS3 game in my life, so I can't compare it to the Wii. I love my Wii, but as a console, it doesn't compare to the older systems. (That's disregarding its ability to play Gamecube games and download NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, etc. games and looking solely at its own library.)

I still think SNES is the best overall. :)

[Bahamut]

What up, bitches? Been awhile.

[Geno]

Squall: I'm the one who summoned him. ........................................whatever.


Da' Bomb: Remember me? I'm Geno's slightly less immature brother!

Geno: I've never seen you before in my life.


segahater: ABCDEFG how I wonder what you are!

[alien space marine]

N64:

--Fewer games, but of BETTER QUALITY!
--Less loading times!
--Better graphics
--Better multiplayer platform!
--Rare!
--Best franchises: Mario, Zelda, etc.
--Superior controller


PSX:

--Scratchy CDs
--...Loading...
--Many games of inferior quality

Existenze: Nintendo is for fags

Weltall : The n64 controller is a triple pronged dildo

Darunia: it comes in handy with the ladies

Odin: You mean your ass hole

Wearytraveler : N64 has no good RPG's

MFBC: Who needs Final Faggotry 7 when we got Zelda!!

Weltall: All you got is Zelda, We got RPG's galore

[Darunia]

Well done, ASM. I had forgotten about most of those names. Well done.

[Weltall]

REFRESHER COURSE

The old guestbook is still up, too. Can you believe it's been over ten years?

[Darunia]

Wow is that the original ONSP? I don't suppose that somewhere, forgotten on a harddrive perhaps, Darunia's Fortress still lives?

10 years, 6 months, and 19 days.

Now I know I'm getting old.

[Weltall]

Unfortunately, Darunia's Fortress and CypherStation were hosted on Crosswinds.net, and they've been extinct for ages.

There's this, though . . .

[Darunia]

Haha I enjoyed reading the history of the war... it unfolds like a great, epic drama. Boris was another name I'd forgotten... what happened to him, I wonder.

[alien space marine]

26 Best Reasons Why Nintendo is Better than Sony

* Crappy games. All the PSX warriors talk about is Final Fantasy and Metal Gear

Cant be all crap given that 1-3 households owned a playstation.

* Zelda is a great game, no matter who says otherwise.

Go play it then

* You need an expensive memory card if you want to save any game.

The memory cards were quite cheap, They allowed you to store your saved games and play them on any machine , While someone who plays the n64 will lose everything they did the moment the cartridge is returned to the rental shop, That's why Nintendo sold its own memory cards as accessories for the n64 .

* Goldeneye 007 is better than Doom.
* Zelda 64 is better than Final Fantasy VII.
* Super Smash Bros. is better than Tekken 3.
* PSXers say PSX won this war, when they didn't win a thing!

All a matter of opinion and individual taste , The only measure of victory is the install base and overall sale which the PSX triumphed at.

* The only reason PSX is a success with few is becasue those jerks at Square left Nintendo in the dust.
* Cartridges are more durable than CDs.
* Cartridges don't take a year to load!
* Sony only made video games cause their other products were being destroyed by GE and RCA! Plus, Nintendo was smart enough not to accept that Playstation enhancement to the Super NES.

While square is certainly a factor in the playstations overall success it certainly not the only one. Cartridges have many advantages and disadvantages, A big reason FF7 was not released on the n64 is the fact the game was to large to fit on a single cartridge given its limited storage capacity.

* Pokémon, the most popular animé, is exclusively on N64 and Game Boy.
* Southpark and SubZero Mythologies are mature, Tomba, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and all that other Playstation crap is rated E.

Nintendo always have made the best plat formers and memorable franchises, I admit that few if any of the 3rd party developers can equal Nintendo in some genres.

* What's more realistic, an Italian plumber who jumps high or a bandicoot wearing pants?

Since when has "realism" ever mattered in video games, much less "cartoonish platformers" ?!!

Playstation sounds like a Gaybar.

Ad hominem

* Scratch a CD or even drop it, or play it too long to burn out the modem, $100 bye bye and $50 for the games!

The PSX has no modem, Nor do modems burn out!!

Handle your discs with care, Just because one is more delicate then the other doesn't mean its inferior, The Cartridge is obsolete technology and the fact Nintendo stopped using them all together is proof of that.

* Nintendo has much more experience then Sony in game making, and is more respected.

The Sony corporation is a hardware giant, They can pay people to make games for them and license 3rd party developers, 3rd parties flocked to Sony in droves and left Nintendo to support their console pretty much by themselves.

* PSXers are third class and can't afford the first class N64, so they're jealous.
* While their jealousy of Zelda being the most popular video game makes them call it a Mario clone, along with Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Quest, and others, we can always say that the E rated crap they have is just a bunch of Crash Bandicoot clones!
* They say Quest 64 sucks cause it's N64's only RPG and cause some little kid says he wants his mommy. Oh my, I've never heard a little kid say that before! *sarcasm*
* They think that crappy Sega with their Dreamcast, using Sonic Adventure, could make us not want to play Super Mario 64 again! *LOL*
* Tomorrow Never Dies the movie was a bomb, the game was made for PSX only cause they were whiny that the hit Goldeneye 007 was on N64, in which Goldeneye the movie was a hit as well.
* What's more realistic, an Italian plumber who jumps high or a bandicoot wearing pants?
* PSXers make up lies like Frogger outsold Zelda 64. Either that or their source is a liar!
* PSXers are rude.
* Dolphin will kill PS2.
* Playstation sounds like a Gaybar.
* Sega has had only one successful system, and not very.

Supposedly this is a list of 26 reasons why Nintendo is better then Sony, When infact most of it is verbal diarrhea that has nothing to do with the topic they claim to be discussing.

[Darunia]

Whence retrieved you this list?

[alien space marine]

Whence retrieved you this list?

The old Gaystation site

link

[Geno]

Wow, you actually felt the need to counter those shitty arguments? (I wrote most of them, though I think MFBC Leader contributed a few.) They shouldn't even be dignified with a rebuttal. All I could do was laugh my ass off at them. I mean, come on, I implied that CDs take an entire year to load. I also love how "PSXers are rude" constitutes an argument as to why the N64 is better than the PSX (though I suppose it's no worse than any other argument there).

Oddly enough, the best argument I had there was that cartridges are more durable than CDs, and even that argument is insignificant considering Nintendo eventually converted to CDs. Yes, it is a simple matter of taking care of your games so that they don't get damaged. I have never once broken a single CD or DVD that I've owned. (Scratches and dust are a bitch though, mostly with DVDs. Even new ones fresh out of the package can come out defective.)

[Darunia]

Ha I just posted that here for comedic-nostalgic effect. But, I welcome the rebuttal. I'm not going to re-rebutt it, but it's welcome.

[A Black Falcon]

I have never once broken a single CD or DVD that I've owned. (Scratches and dust are a bitch though, mostly with DVDs. Even new ones fresh out of the package can come out defective.)

Scratching a disc so much that it doesn't work anymore is effectively breaking it. Discs are definitely fragile, particularly compared to carts, which are very durable. I think it's definitely a good point against disc-based systems.

[alien space marine]

Scratching a disc so much that it doesn't work anymore is effectively breaking it. Discs are definitely fragile, particularly compared to carts, which are very durable. I think it's definitely a good point against disc-based systems.

Maybe they will design un-scratchable indestructible discs soon?

Carts were limited in storage capacity, Games on the playstation that required multiple discs would never have had enough room to fit on a cartridge.

[A Black Falcon]

Resident Evil 2... :)

Also, flash memory is the current "cartridge" format -- see the DS. They are much more expensive than discs for similar sizes, but still, they are a good option in some situations.

Also lots of games now are downloadable, and thus go to a hard drive or flash memory card...

[Weltall]

Yeah. Downloadable software is the new wave. Optical media will the way of the cartridge in a few years except as an archival tool.

[Geno]

I welcome this new wave. I'm sick of DVD skips.

[EdenMaster]

Yeah. Downloadable software is the new wave. Optical media will the way of the cartridge in a few years except as an archival tool.

Indeed. Especially as speeds get faster and faster. Eventually, it's all gonna be download only.

Sorry, A Black Horse And Carriage, times are a changing. You gotta leave your paper manuals behind sometime.

[alien space marine]

Why Nintendo hasn't completely died out. by Weltall.

Sure, Playstation has totally and completely humiliated Nintendo by showing them what a real system is, but Nintendo has not completely dies out... yet...

For one thing, they still market the hell outof Pokemon. This and this alone is what kept Nintendo from meeting the fate of Atari, becasue they were in some serious trouble. Milk it for all it's worth, until it's dry. Once Pokemon goes the way of Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles, Nintendo will likely bow out of the games business.

The other reason, the reason why N64 didn't suffer the way Sega did, beasue Nintendo is riding on the coattails of it's past. The glory days when every kid and his brother owned Nintendo products, when they owned the market. The days when games lived or died on gameplay, the times when Zelda and Mario Brothers and Metroid were the biggiest names in videogames. But today, to milk it, Nintendo no longer puts the same level of quality in thier games. Now all that matters is that the game looks pretty, to hell with gameplay. You don't see Sony doing that. Every month, we are treated to new experiences in gameplay. Now that Playstation2 is coming in little more than a month, and Nintendo's Dolphin coming out God know when, if ever, Nintendo certainly lives on borrowed time.

Prediction fail

Nintendo is now number 1 again and Sony is rock bottom on the market, Nintendo had a better strategy "seek the broadest audience and keep your hardware cost so low that you can even earn profit off of hardware sales when the competitors sell at a loss, Nintendo is good at making games and most of all making money their not gonna bow out like Sega or Atari anytime soon.

[Darunia]

Hahah Nintendo Dolphin... ah yes. Well to be fair to Weltall, standing where he was in the late twentieth century and seeing what he saw, and summarizing the market as it appeared, his prediction would've seemed most logical.

[EdenMaster]

<img src="http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj25/TheCarpe/nindolphin.jpg">

[Weltall]

My prediction was sound for years, since the GameCube was even less of a competitive factor than the N64 was. PS2 dominated a three-way market big-time, as I'd said. It was Sony's market to lose.

And, they lost it by doing almost all of the things that I used to lambaste Nintendo for doing way back then.

[A Black Falcon]

Indeed. Especially as speeds get faster and faster. Eventually, it's all gonna be download only.

Sorry, A Black Horse And Carriage, times are a changing. You gotta leave your paper manuals behind sometime.

Whether you mean this or not, I know some people (I'm not sure if they are people here or not, but some gamers) DO believe things like this. They're wrong, and here are some reasons why. First, they're crazy. :) There are a lot of reasons why, but some people just won't listen and are like "Steam is awesome, DD forever, I hope retail dies!" despite everything... ugh.

-Paper manuals and such -- yes they matter, and most definitely not just "because they used to be good!". They matter. Why do you think so many people buy paper guides (and yes, a lot of people do)? Because they are much more convenient than GameFAQs, that's why. I use GameFAQs exclusively much more because of the price than because the product is better, it's not because it's much more convenient to have a guide on paper than on the computer. Also, if manuals were better, as they used to be, guides would not be quite as essential... and things like paper maps and posters aren't just useless extras, even today in plenty of cases they'd be great to have. It's really too bad that PC gaming packaging particularly has collapsed so spectacularly from where it used to be, the needs for these kinds have things hasn't changed... they just don't exist anymore, even though they should.

-You actually own physical media. Downloads, though, it's more fuzzy... Yes, many physical-media games have DRM too, but there is a difference -- for one thing, physical-media games are always available. If for some reason the game is discontinued, you can just buy a used copy. With digital-download games though, once a game is discontinued and removed from sale, it is gone forever outside of piracy.

We have seen this -- some games have been removed from the 360's XBLA for instance. They are now gone apart from people's hard drives. With phyisical media that is impossible. This is a MAJOR point against digital-download, and I think that as time passes is something that will become more and more important...

-Particularly as we see older services continue to get shut down. See the innumerable PC games which have shut down online services, or the original Xbox which is going offline for good in a few days. All the download-only DLC will become forever unavailable for anyone who doesn't have a hacked Xbox. Again, this is not true for anything available on a disc.

-Another note on that -- so if your PS3's clock gets messed up, or your PC's internet connection is disconnected, with some services and even GAMES now you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE GAME OR CONTENT. Ubisoft's new system for its PC games is that GAMES WILL REQUIRE YOU TO BE CONNECTED TO THEIR SERVER in order to play anything, even single-player games -- and if your internet goes down while you are playing, you lose your game and get sent back to whenever you last saved. Now, this is with physical media too, so this isn't just a physical/digital issue, but it's definitely related... Similarly, Dragon Age DLC on the PC requires an internet connection for you to be able to use it. This is true for most PS3 and 360 DLC as well -- you must be connected for it to work.

Good luck still using it some years down the road after they shut down the 360's XBLA too, which I'm sure they will eventually do just like happens with all of these things far too soon! If you're going to just rely on patches to remove the checks, well, I wouldn't, because they won't all come.

These things are very bad for gaming, perhaps even more so than digital-only is. But they are definitely related and going download-only exacerbates the problem. Ignore this if you wish, it'll just be you who suffers when suddenly someday you will be unable to repurchase or even play the games you think you own. :) With physical media there are more ways to get around the problem, and it is not as bad.

-One more important reason that digital-only is awful is that by going digital only, you are restricting yourself to a market that includes only current, somewhat serious gamers. Lots of people do not use Steam, or do not use it much. Other DD services like Impulse, Direct2Drive, etc. have even smaller marketshares. I know that over time these services are growing, but still, you will never get nongamers to just check out Steam like you could get them to buy a box in the store while they're there. By going DD only you're dropping most of your chances of expanding gaming's market and audience, and that is a very bad idea. This is obviously part of why Nintendo, for instance, only releases small stuff on their DD services -- they know that they won't get many people to buy their casual or mainstream audience games if they're not in boxes. I do not think that this fact will change anytime in the forseeable future.

Yes, PC gaming is as big as ever... when you include MMO fees and such... but genre variety is far far far down from where it was ten years ago, so it sure doesn't look it. Going DD only limits companies to just the market that already wants their games, and is probably part of why a lot of genres that used to be important are now so sidelined. Yes, you can still make the games, but only with a low budget, because you won't be selling many copies. And if you're not watching the online services often, you'll miss that some games even exist. This is really sad.

-You know, it used to be that if some company released an addon or download file on day 1 (or soon after) that required payment, they would be pilloried and ignored and hated by gamers... but now this kind of ridiculous behavior is commonplace and okay. Alright, buy Mega Man 10 for WiiWare, it's $10... plus $10 more to buy the DLC addons. This kind of thing should still be unacceptable.

I'm sure there are more things I could say, but that's what I can think of for now.

[Geno]

Hahah Nintendo Dolphin... ah yes. Well to be fair to Weltall, standing where he was in the late twentieth century and seeing what he saw, and summarizing the market as it appeared, his prediction would've seemed most logical.

My prediction was sound for years, since the GameCube was even less of a competitive factor than the N64 was. PS2 dominated a three-way market big-time, as I'd said. It was Sony's market to lose.

And, they lost it by doing almost all of the things that I used to lambaste Nintendo for doing way back then.

I guess the lesson here is to never assume that the status quo will always be as it is now. Before Sony dominated the market, Nintendo dominated the market, and it does once again now. How long will this last? Hell if I know.

[alien space marine]

My prediction was sound for years, since the GameCube was even less of a competitive factor than the N64 was. PS2 dominated a three-way market big-time, as I'd said. It was Sony's market to lose.

And, they lost it by doing almost all of the things that I used to lambaste Nintendo for doing way back then.

Before the Wii surprising success your prediction seemed quite plausible, If Nintendo was forced to leave the hardware market and then follow Sega's example and just sell software wouldn't that have been better for us all?

[Geno]

^I still dream of a universal console that can play all games. Imagine having to buy different types of DVD players if you wanted to watch movies by different studios.

[A Black Falcon]

Before the Wii surprising success your prediction seemed quite plausible, If Nintendo was forced to leave the hardware market and then follow Sega's example and just sell software wouldn't that have been better for us all?

I think Sony surprised everyone this generation by messing things up so badly... :)

[Darunia]

I'm a little out of touch with the console industry... is Wii still outselling PS3 and Xbox? How are they comparing in software sales? Is Nintendo still the dominant, alpha male in the trio?