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So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Dark Lord Neo - 20th August 2003

Thanks to Canadian copyright laws
http://techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-081803C
Quote:Blame Canada

A desperate American recording industry is waging a fierce fight against digital copyright infringement seemingly oblivious to the fact that, for practical purposes, it lost the digital music sharing fight over five years ago. In Canada.



"On March 19, 1998, Part VIII of the (Canadian) Copyright Act dealing with private copying came into force. Until that time, copying any sound recording for almost any purpose infringed copyright, although, in practice, the prohibition was largely unenforceable. The amendment to the Act legalized copying of sound recordings of musical works onto audio recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy (referred to as "private copying"). In addition, the amendment made provision for the imposition of a levy on blank audio recording media to compensate authors, performers and makers who own copyright in eligible sound recordings being copied for private use."

-- Copyright Board of Canada: Fact Sheet: Private Copying 1999-2000 Decision



The Copyright Board of Canada administers the Copyright Act and sets the amount of the levies on blank recording media and determines which media will have levies imposed. Five years ago this seemed like a pretty good deal for the music industry: $0.77 CDN for a blank CD and .29 a blank tape, whether used for recording music or not. Found money for the music moguls who had been pretty disturbed that some of their product was being burned onto CDs. To date over 70 million dollars has been collected through the levy and there is a good possibility the levy will be raised and extended to MP3 players, flash memory cards and recordable DVDs sometime in 2003.



While hardware vendors whine about the levy, consumers seem fairly indifferent. Why? Arguably because the levy is fairly invisible - just another tax in an overtaxed country. And because it makes copying music legal in Canada.



A year before Shawn Fanning invented Napster, these amendments to Canada's Copyright Act were passed with earnest lobbying from the music business. The amendments were really about home taping. The rather cumbersome process of ripping a CD and then burning a copy was included as afterthought to deal with this acme of the digital revolution. The drafters and the music industry lobbyists never imagined full-on P2P access.



As the RIAA wages its increasingly desperate campaign of litigation in terrorum to try to take down the largest American file sharers on the various P2P networks, it seems to be utterly unaware of the radically different status of private copying in Canada.



This is a fatal oversight, because P2P networks are international. While the Digital Millennium Copyright Act may make it illegal to share copyright material in America, the Canadian Copyright Act expressly allows exactly the sort of copying which is at the base of the P2P revolution.



In fact, you could not have designed a law which more perfectly captures the peer to peer process. "Private copying" is a term of art in the Act. In Canada, if I own a CD and you borrow it and make a copy of it that is legal private copying; however, if I make you a copy of that same CD and give it to you that would be infringement. Odd, but ideal for protecting file sharers.



Every song on my hard drive comes from a CD in my collection or from a CD in someone else's collection which I have found on a P2P network. In either case I will have made the copy and will claim safe harbor under the "private copying" provision. If you find that song in my shared folder and make a copy this will also be "private copying." I have not made you a copy, rather you have downloaded the song yourself.



The premise of the RIAA's litigation is to go after the "supernodes," the people who have thousands, even tens of thousands of songs on their drives and whose big bandwidth allows massive sharing. The music biz has had some success bringing infringement claims under the DMCA. Critically, that success and the success of the current campaign hinges on it being a violation of the law to "share" music. At this point, in the United States, that is a legally contested question and that contest may take several years to fully play out in the Courts.



RIAA spokesperson Amanda Collins seemed unaware of the situation in Canada. "Our goal is deterrence. We are focused on uploaders in the US. Filing lawsuits against individuals making files available in the US."



Which will be a colossal waste of time because in Canada it is expressly legal to share music. If the RIAA were to somehow succeed in shutting down every "supernode" in America all this would do is transfer the traffic to the millions of file sharers in Canada. And, as 50% of Canadians on the net have broadband (as compared to 20% of Americans) Canadian file sharers are likely to be able to meet the demand.



The Canada Hole in the RIAA's strategic thinking is not likely to close. While Canadians are not very keen about seeing the copyright levy extended to other media or increased, there is not much political traction in the issue. There is no political interest at all in revisiting the Copyright Act. Any lobbying attempt by the RIAA to change the copyright rules in Canada would be met with a howl of anger from nationalist Canadians who are not willing to further reduce Canada's sovereignty. (These folks are still trying to get over NAFTA.)



Nor are there any plausible technical fixes short of banning any connections from American internet users to servers located in Canada.



As the RIAA's "sue your customer" campaign begins to run into stiffening opposition and serious procedural obstacles it may be time to think about a "Plan B". A small levy on storage media, say a penny a megabyte, would be more lucrative than trying to extract 60 million dollars from a music obsessed, file sharing, thirteen year-old.



If American consumers objected -- well, the music biz could always follow Southpark's lead and burst into a chorus of "Blame Canada". Hey, we can take it….We'll even lend you Anne Murray.



So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - OB1 - 20th August 2003

So which file sharing programs are safe for us Yanks?


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Dark Lord Neo - 20th August 2003

There is a way to tell what country a user is from on Kazaa, I just can't remember how, so maybe you could try downloading from Canadians, once word of this spreads around though I'm sure a file sharing program will be devoloped where the non US users share files


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Great Rumbler - 20th August 2003

OB1, you can use Kazaa Light. You don't have to put in any personal information to use it and it doesn't have any spyware.

About 98% of my MP3s are legal, consisting mostly of music from CDs that I own or from games and animes, the kinds of music that you can't get on CD or else are not available in this country.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - OB1 - 20th August 2003

Are you 100% positive that Kazaa Lite is safe?


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Great Rumbler - 20th August 2003

I'm pretty sure it's safe since they can't track you, but if you don't want to take a chance you can go with E-Donkey [yep, that's what it's called].


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - The Former DMiller - 20th August 2003

My MP3s are 100% legal too. :p


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - -iLluSiON- - 20th August 2003

Eek


I have 40 gigs of music!
130 Rare European Metal cds not found in the US!
Will I get in trouble? (sarcastic) :cuss:


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - The Former DMiller - 21st August 2003

As long as you don't share music, you are pretty safe for now. The RIAA is only going after music sharers right now, and only those who share a hell of a lot of MP3s.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - N-Man - 21st August 2003

*does the Canadian dance*

(don't ask)


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Darunia - 21st August 2003

Fucking government music nazis. Wish they'd all burn in hell, trying to take away my music...


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - -iLluSiON- - 21st August 2003

Quote:Originally posted by DMiller
As long as you don't share music, you are pretty safe for now. The RIAA is only going after music sharers right now, and only those who share a hell of a lot of MP3s.


I do it on IRC. IRC is way too vast though. They would never crack down on all of it.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Dark Jaguar - 21st August 2003

Um Darunia... it's NOT your music!


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - -iLluSiON- - 22nd August 2003

His music consists of 80s pop/rock. A good selection Darunia. :S


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Darunia - 22nd August 2003

Quote:Um Darunia... it's NOT your music!

DJ, you capitalist consumer whore you. You go pay to download music, pay Wendy's to give you a cup of ice sans any soda, and all your other capitalist paradise over-priced horse shit.

His music consists of 80s pop/rock. A good selection Darunia.

The VAST, VAST, majority of my archives is videogame music...I have perhaps 30 80's songs, and well over 100 videogame tunes, so BLAH to you, Doyle.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Dark Jaguar - 22nd August 2003

Interesting response... I was merely pointing out that you don't actually own any rights to that music at all when you got upset at someone trying to take "your" music.

What that has to do with buying frozen tap water (they SELL tap water at Wendy's now?) which is a practise I certainly avoid (though it's well within that company's rights to totally ruin custumer relations like that). If you believe it's not worth the price, don't get it.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Darunia - 23rd August 2003

Yea, well I just think that these artists are rich any way, and will continue to make more per album then any of us ever will in a lifetime, so I figure why should we pay even small $1 fees in tribute to them. More principal than anything else.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - OB1 - 23rd August 2003

Actually if what Illusion says is true then you're hurting those 80's pop stars who really do need your money.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Dark Jaguar - 23rd August 2003

And since when does your opinion on whether or not they need the money matter? It's not yours, that's the start and end of my argument. You admit this, therefor I win. Whether it's "justified" is something I never once cared about.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - -iLluSiON- - 23rd August 2003

Darunia, how many actual CDs do you really own (ones that aren't burned) ?

5?


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Great Rumbler - 23rd August 2003

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
Yea, well I just think that these artists are rich any way, and will continue to make more per album then any of us ever will in a lifetime, so I figure why should we pay even small $1 fees in tribute to them. More principal than anything else.


It's a good thing there aren't more people like you than there already are in the world. If everyone thought like that all the recording companies would go out of business, bands would go bankrupt and stop making music, all of your favorite video game developers would go bankrupt because everyone knows they're making to much money already without giving them more.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Darunia - 23rd August 2003

Quote: Darunia, how many actual CDs do you really own (ones that aren't burned) ?

In the vacinity of 15/20.


Quote:And since when does your opinion on whether or not they need the money matter? It's not yours, that's the start and end of my argument. You admit this, therefor I win. Whether it's "justified" is something I never once cared about.

Since when is your opinion more important or correct than anyone else's? I admit what...and declaring yourself a victor within one sentence. You better see a physician immediately, you're coming down with OB1 Fever. You have all the symptons...cocky, self-righteous, and content with calling himself the victor of any argument he decrees.

Quote:It's a good thing there aren't more people like you than there already are in the world. If everyone thought like that all the recording companies would go out of business, bands would go bankrupt and stop making music, all of your favorite video game developers would go bankrupt because everyone knows they're making to much money already without giving them more.

No, if there were MORE PEOPLE LIKE ME, the industries would lose money and be forced to lower their prices, thusly the savings would go to the consumer as opposed into the already bloated wallets of the CEOs and artists. My, what a horrible, horrible world that'd be.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - The Former DMiller - 23rd August 2003

The industry is already losing money because there are a lot of people like you. That's why they are going to the crazy lengths of suing individual users, which I totally don't agree with. I understand there are some songs you just can't get legally, but having an entire collection of music that you didn't pay for just wouldn't seem right to me.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - -iLluSiON- - 23rd August 2003

Quote:Originally posted by DMiller
The industry is already losing money because there are a lot of people like you. That's why they are going to the crazy lengths of suing individual users, which I totally don't agree with. I understand there are some songs you just can't get legally, but having an entire collection of music that you didn't pay for just wouldn't seem right to me.


*sighs*

the industry is losing money, yes, but not as much as you think. as a matter of fact, they're not losing that MUCH money at all (compared to the billions of dollars they ring in a year). they blame it on mp3 sharing and what not. but it seems to me that the reason why they claim they're losing money is because of the SHIT MUSIC they release today. there is no good music anymore. i'm getting sick of whiney pop punk, angry no-talent nu metal bands, and thugs with no musicial skill whatsoever. the fact remains that today's music is the worst music possible. i would blame this on MTV... but wait, do they even play music anymore? no... just stupid reality shows and cartoons that have nothing to do with music at all.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Darunia - 23rd August 2003

Why is it that everyone here always sides with big business agains the common man...they want big business to win another trillion dollars over sharing music online. "Nothing should be free anymore!", scream DMill, Jaguar and Great Rumbler. "Find another way to make the common may poorer and the rich richer!" they add. While $1 a song won't break anyone, I still view it from an average hard-working American's p-o-v. If you want to work 12 hours a day at $6.75 an hour to pay richer-than-you'll-ever-be Nelly for the right to listen to his music, be my guest. I'll keep using freeware until they drag me away kicking and screaming.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - A Black Falcon - 24th August 2003

I've never bought a music CD... I just have two that came with games (Homeworld and Warcraft III)... and a couple of old classical cds i got as gifts.

Of course, I didn't have over 250 megs of MP3s until about a year ago (well, less than a year... I didn't really start getting many until last October...) either... but now I have 12 gigs. :)

Its a mix of videogame music (5 gigs), anime music (3 gigs), classical music (2 gigs), scifi music (majority from Star Wars and Lexx), and some other stuff (1.2 gigs, over half techno).

If I had to pay for music... I just wouldn't have any. For me, with the amount of money I have and make, music is very low on the 'worth paying for' scale... I'm sure that if I didn't have MP3s I just wouldn't listen to anything while using the computer (that's the only time I listen to music -- listening to music while not doing anything bores me very fast...)


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - LukeIsTerrified - 24th August 2003

I buy music to support record labels I like (Matador, V2, Def Jux and Rhymesayers, for instance). I hardly ever buy anything from major record labels, in hopes that perhaps my small contribution to Big Five abstinence will help force them to cut some of the artists that everyone except oversexed junior high girls realize are utter garbage. Let's see some of these made-for-MTV bands succeed without the backing of a Warner or Sony behind them to make sure their music and videos get the exposure they need.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - The Former DMiller - 24th August 2003

That's similar to what I do. I pay for music I like. I don't buy a CD that has one good song and 11 crappy ones. However, since my musical taste happens to include a lot of classic rock bands I buy a lot of music from the Big 5. I don't have a problem paying for the music I buy because I know it's good music and since I generally buy songs online now it's pretty cheap. If you don't want to pay for songs that's your perogative, but I just don't understand how people can rationalize it by saying the music industry makes too much money already. Sure the music industry has done some pretty shitty things in the past, but that doesn't mean people should be able to steal from them.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Laser Link - 24th August 2003

Whoever wrote that article didn't know what they were talking about. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act made it legal to own music, games, or anything else that you copy from your own collection. That's what the Canada law did. But I didn't see anything about it being legal to give these copied-for-your-own-private-use files to other people. Did I miss it?


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Great Rumbler - 24th August 2003

Is it illegal here to own copies of music you own?


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - The Former DMiller - 24th August 2003

No, that's what LL was talking about. You can copy music you own all you like. A lot of people, myself included, rip their CDs to MP3s and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act protects you when you do this.


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Dark Lord Neo - 24th August 2003

It doesn't say anything about the person who owns the music, it says the person who makes the copy


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - OB1 - 24th August 2003

Cool! DJ has "OB1 fever"!!


So Anyways, My MP3 Collection is 100% Legal - Darunia - 25th August 2003

Quote:I don't buy a CD that has one good song and 11 crappy ones.

Yes, that sucks; which is why I download a lot of music. Even then, I downloaded some Boston, and liked it, so I bought their greatest hits CD and now I like all of their songs on there...so they did make money off of me, those MP3s are legal, and they gained from my using WinMx.