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Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - A Black Falcon - 8th August 2003 That "evidence" is of course the "mobile weapons lab trailers" "But", you say, "what about those plans for and/or centrifuges found buried in a scientists' yard?" That stuff was buried in 1991 during or after the first Gulf War. And stayed there until the guy dug it up for us. Sorry, but pre-Gulf War "evidence" is stupid because back then he actually had a chem/bio program... unlike now. And I'd say that they are actually more proof that he had nothing now-- they were still in the ground! Anyway... on to the "WMD lab trailers". http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/09/international/worldspecial/09WEAP.html?hp Since no one here bothered to do the FREE SIGNUP required to read the NY Times site, I'll post the whole thing. Quote:Iraqi Trailers Said to Make Hydrogen, Not Biological Arms Summary: Iraqi leadership has, since discovery of said trailers, said they were for hydrogen production for weather balloons. US scientists now think they were telling the truth all along. And there goes the one shred of "proof" Bush ever found. Now if only the idiotic American people would wake up and realize how badly their president lied to their faces for well over a year. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - alien space marine - 9th August 2003 Saddam probaily had weapons , but there was no evidence,No significant proof to Justify the alligations Bush charged with. Saddam Hussein waisnt a eminant threat and attacking Iraq causing the death of 6,000 Iraqis some whome were children like the little Ali kid who lossed his legs and his entire family to a U.S air strike was not Necessary.260 soliders on the U.S side have died, 56 of which after hostilities sopposedly ended. You were lucky Saddam Hussein Killed over fast if his armies were not so cowardly you could still be fighting a costly war right now with higher death tolls. Your homeland sercurity is in a Crunch for funding due to the high cost of the war.The Iraq Drama has wounded your relations with everyone even the brittish public who are now Inquiering into PM Blair for the scientist suicide after he was revealed on tv and accussed of exaderating weapons claims. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - A Black Falcon - 11th August 2003 On a related, but different, note... my analysis of why Bush does policy the way he is. Based on what I've read in places like Time Magazine and from stuff like Al Gore's speech last week (great speech, by the way... but I doubt anyone else here watches C-Span? :) ) 'Sadaam is trying to buy nuclear materials from several African nations" Junior said something like that in his last State of the Union address. He said that Sadaam was trying to buy nuclear material from some African countries, even though the CIA knew that the intelligence was highly suspect to the point that they eventually figured out that it was a forgery... yet despite that our idiot said it in his State of the Union address. That is called lying. A much, much worse kind of lying than Clinton's, which were to cover a stupid personal mistake... that lie was to get us to go to war. Much more serious and criminal. He also, of course, lied every day for about a year and a half as he said that he had proof Sadaam had WMD and that the inspections weren't working -- the CIA had intelligence that put ... more than sufficient ... doubt (read: once we got in there we learned that they were all completely false) into both of those ideas, but he'd never, ever let "truth" stop him. Some people just say "Bush is a moron, so its not his fault". Or "his advisors say it and he believes". Sorry... but WRONG. He may be dumb, but he's not STUPID. He DID graduate from Yale and law school, after all... he IS intelligent. His problem is that he knows what is right. Not like, he thinks he knows what is right but will listen when people say in reports what the truth is. He knows. Far, far before he knows any facts. He KNOWS WHAT IS RIGHT. He KNOWS that Sadaam is evil, has WMD deployed all over his nation, and has citizens who will welcome us with open arms. He KNOWS this so it is TRUE... and whatever the agencies (intelligence, forestry, foreign affairs, economics, labor, whatever...) say is silly lies which we must correct to reflect the truth, of course. This is, of course, just as true about his approach to domestic policy... how else do we get a tax cut "which will work" by giving HUGE cuts to the top 5%, the very group least likely to spend it on things that will actually help our economy... and then when it miserably fails GETTING ANOTHER ONE WITH THE SAME MORONIC RHETORIC? Bush knows what is the right thing to do about taxes -- give breaks to his nice, nice friends who helped give him SO much money to get him here... and himself, of course. He is quite rich too. Helping the economy? Just like the idiotic stories about how we were invading Iraq to save the Iraqi people, cover lies to placate the masses... because, of course, they know a lot of those stupid masses will listen. :( Oh... and Weltall, not participating here because you know you can't win? :) Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - alien space marine - 12th August 2003 If bush actually had been better prepared to handel post war Iraq maybe things wouldnt be this critacle. But Murder and rape is so high in Baghdad even the police walk the streets in fear more people get mugged and killed in Baghdad in one day then U.S soldiers who get shot,blown up every day . The U.S soldiers are Demoralize despite winning the war as things are not getting any better or safer in iraq.People are still without hydro in alot of places,sercurity is still sluggish,People are becoming more impatient .Communication is almost non existent in Iraq in alot of areas, The U.S cant get more then 51% tv coverage of iraq to inform them of whats going on.While Iran is already pumping anti american messages daily though the media. If the U.S found even a small credible trace of evidence to support the 45 mins strike capability they touted before the war it may have proved they were right but now,It seems they didnt have a clue or even cared as the consiquences of going to war were gonna be.Throughout indonesia the invasion of iraq has proved to be a great opprotunity for Al'qeada to take root and spread hatred and actually even now Justifiy its actions to moderate muslimes. If the U.S was gonna take actions it should have been in Indonesia were the threat was credible and real, As Al'qeada has done attacks there and is active and well supported by fear and hate. Al'qeada goal is to spread ethnic hatred to Indonesia to cause instabilities enough to motivate a full blown war for the Muslimes to takeover that hole region, Al'qeada goal is to create a massive islamic state in Indonesia which will dedicate itself to destroying the west,Iraq has been the trigger for this. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - Weltall - 12th August 2003 I come here for about five minutes every other day. If and when I can spare more time for the micronovel back-and-forths that require over an hour to type, we can then parry words. But since brevity is the word of the day, all I have to say is "So what"? I supported the war irregardless of the WMD. We know he had them, and what scares me is that there is no proof of them at all, not only of their existence (which was confirmed and re-confirmed ad infinitum) but that there is no trace of them whatsoever. If they had been dismantled and destroyed in accordance with UN rule, there would still be traces of the warheads, canisters, what have you. But there is nothing. They weren't destroyed, and because they weren't, the war was justified in that respect. If they had been destroyed, and Saddam had any interest in retaining the power and control he so dearly loved, he would have done his best to supply proof of their destruction. What worries me now is where they are. Are they hidden? Sold to others? Who knows? But to say they were destroyed, or never existed in the first place, is sheer folly and even now only true fools ever utter such crap. No, nothing that has happened has made my faith in the justice of this war waver. The resulting chaos only makes me angrier that we didn't finish the job the first time, as this could have all been avoided. Of course, we have liberals to thank for that... and a president who lacked the cajones to stand up to them. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - A Black Falcon - 12th August 2003 Before the war some members of Iraq's government had said that they blew up some stuff in the desert and lost the paperwork. Now, I believe them... Oh, and Sadaam had plenty of time to dismantle the whole program. Five years, actually, since the UN left in 1998... several years since he knew he was target #1. That is more than enough time to erase all traces of his WMD programs, as he clearly did both to try to appease us and to make us look real bad if we acted anyway. I put absolutely no credence in the idea that "its there and we haven't found it yet" or "they moved them to Syria/Jordan/Iran/Terrorist Market". Oh, and when you can, you'll want to reply to my second post too. Its on a completely different, and probably more important, subject... Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - alien space marine - 13th August 2003 Without weapons and without traces or credible proof its gonna be hard convincing moderate Iraqis or Arabs that the U.S did it not for personal gain or revenge. Just today another 2 U.S soldiers got blown up. Getting rid of Saddam was good but now its time to get rid of Kim pinyong or ridding of the tyrant dictators of africa. Obviously your had never wanted that burden but since your leader jumped into it the U.S is gonna be critized everytime a dictator is ignored. While I can agree European leaders are rats ,They totaly ignored Liberia more then the U.S who atleast is giving some asistance. Evidence or inteligence can never be used for anything ever again to justify a war.No one will believe it unless all the world leaders confirm it.The hole of the U.S has a energy crunch and alot of us wonder if Iraqi oil was the real reason for war as eminant threats or just raw material for WMD havent been found . One last thing , The U.S needs too punnish Saudi Arabia for once, they kept a brit and a Canadian in Jail for 2 years(both white), The framed him of terrorism to protect there freindly Al'qeada freinds and beat him till he confessed a crime he didnt commit . There was no evidence given at all to say why the saudis had him imprisoned and acussed of terrorism , He was in prisioned for months and went through many forms of torture such as electricution and beatings very much like Saddam men did. He said in a interview that he gave in as the torture was untoleriable he was willing to say and confess to anything they wanted if they stoped wiping,beating,shocking him with teasers guns. Saudi Arabia is evil and is just as opressive as Iraq once was and many ways worse except the U.S supports and protects it. Their Involment in 9/11 is seriously questioned and most americans believe they had a bigger role in it then their saying. Going back to the Canadian who was on death row for a crime he was framed and never commited , the brittish Jumped in as they reason for this was because it was a brittish deplomat who was the target of the attack by islamic terrorist no doubt.The Brits force them to let the canadian go or if he was executed that england and canada would cut all trade and ties with Saudi Arabia and knowing that if that Happen the U.S would be pressured to do so, they let the canadian go on a Pardon but never apologized or cleared him of the charges so the real terrorist go away free. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - A Black Falcon - 13th August 2003 Given that we didn't HAVE any reasons other than personal gain and revenge, yes, it will be hard to convince them that there was another reason we went in... Oh, and Bush's conduct in Liberia is disgusting. Here a nation is BEGGING for our help, and DESPERATELY needs it... so what do we do? Nothing. Nothing, and let them kill eachother for weeks and weeks. Great job there in helping secure a vital part of restoring West African peace... it is truly dispicable that Bush hates peacekeeping so much that he refuses it where we need to use it most. A very similar situation exists in Afghanistan. We DESPERATELY need to send in a full peacekeeping force to secure the whole nation and not just the capitol... but this idiot and his anti-peacekeeping (except in Iraq where he had to be quite literally forced into it once his idiotic delusions of cheering crowds hit the rocks of reality) foreign policy, mixed with his total disdain and clear hatred for the rest of the world's opinions, has done nearly irreparable damage to our world standing, the chances of anyone cooperating with us, and any chance for true peace in Afghanistan. I just hope Liberia turns out better... but I won't hold out much hope. Not with this guy in charge. Oh, and yes, we should look much deeper into Saudi involvement. The fact we buy a lot of oil from them, of course, will make that never happen... but it REALLY should. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - alien space marine - 13th August 2003 There are protestors in Iraq waving signs saying Bush: "I am with stupid". Liberia is thankfully improving since the African Help arrived, Taylor Resigned and the rebels are negotiating and even allowed foriegn aid to come into port. But what is stupid is that Bush said he would send troops if Taylor resigned and indeed he has not, yet a U.S peace keeping force is no were to be seen.The embassader in Liberia has done a fine job negotiating with the rebels, but what liberia wants is a U.S force coming in and saying to the people the U.S cares. Right now Bush treats liberia like a afterthought, As it has no Oil,no value , other then its history. if it was saudi Arabia he would send the hole smoking guns. The relationship between liberia and the U.S which existed for over a century has been damaged for quite a while as Bush failed to send troops when they were needed.Bush doesnt care of the little people but those he can profit off. The U.S didnt need to secure the hole country but just secure the capital so foreign aid could have come in faster and be already ready for when the african peace force arrives. Instead he did nothing but procrastinate and still is procrastinating.Right now a Humanitarian desaster is likely near and its only good fortune Liberia had such compassionate neighbors.6000 Liberians are dead and hundreds didnt have to be that way. Al Gore hates Bush now with serious distaste, He said " lets fire him and get a new one". Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - Great Rumbler - 13th August 2003 Why doesn't the U.N. send peacekeeping troops to Liberia? Isn't that their job? I think "6-8 months" was what they said about that. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - A Black Falcon - 13th August 2003 Bush couldn't care less about a silly thing like history. And yes, Liberia is unimportant, small, oil-free, and black African. Not a good formula for outside aid, for sure. Oh, and as for the UN, it sort of IS the UN that finally moved to get the Nigerian peacekeepers to go into Liberia after weeks and weeks of us refusing to act... remember, the UN takes a while to do anything. We could have acted much, much faster, but Bush wouldn't. And hundreds, maybe thousands, of Liberians died as a direct result. Oh, and yes, Al Gore does hate Bush now. In that speech last week he said something similar to what I did -- Bush is responsible for all the "miscalculations" and "misdirections" and "mistaken opinions" that the administration holds and held, not the advisors. That is clear once you look at all the facts. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - alien space marine - 14th August 2003 Bush finally sent in a thousand troops , Good but slow. I have heard a reason the U.S avoids african missions is because of somalia were 10 american soldiers were killed and had their bodies draged across the streets. Liberia isnt as dangerous as the rebels are not anti american. If the U.S can help get liberia back on its feet then it can also help prevent Terrorist dealings in africa through the diamond trade. A stabalized Liberia will help all of west africa. Only "Evidence" of Iraqi WMD Debunked - A Black Falcon - 20th August 2003 Its because they have no oil and little boost to Bush's ratings... its a definite case of 'it would have been dramatically better if it wasn't so late'... |