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Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 26th July 2015
Quote:is there anywhere in the middle of the desert with grassy fields, trees, and the like?
There are plenty of places in Nevada with that kind greenery, including a few large forest, there's just generally a lot of space between them that's filled with scrub desert. And check out Reno, Vegas, and Carson City on Google maps, they've all got trees and grassy fields [golf courses] all over the place.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 27th July 2015
I'm sorry ABF, but most of this anime looks like utter garbage. Is there ANYTHING creative being made there any more? Also, I just hate this trend in "comedy" wherein the male protagonist accidentally falls on a female lead's breasts. Is that even a joke, outside Benny Hill? What's the joke? They all seem to otherwise reuse the exact same tired old joke playbook. American cartoons are guilty of the same thing, but at least that's just intellectually offensive. This is offensive to basically anyone who's ever actually talked to another human being in their lives. Not to mention there's some huge values corruption going on. Every time some character says "take responsibility", they're using it WRONG! It's usually something like "innocent child of someone I hate, learn to take responsibility for actions you have no control over, for which I hate you", and the protagonist NEVER CALLS THEM OUT ON IT, and even APOLOGIZES. Is this a thing in Japanese culture? I can't imagine it is, because Studio Ghibli movies never seem to do this.
Your descriptions basically say all I need to know, and that's "I'll stick with studio Ghibli".
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 27th July 2015
It's been well-documented that ABF will watch, and occasionally enjoy, even the most base anime, so it really shouldn't come as a surprise that a non-anime fan would look at what he's watching and wonder if all anime is merely a wasteland of karp.
As for the other part of your post, Wagnaria [season 3], Seiyu's Life, and Non Non Biyori [season 2] are both good comedies that aren't reliant on sexual humor. Gatchman Crowds [season 2] and Rokka - Braves of the Six Flowers and good scifi and fantasy series, respectively. Then there's Actually, I Am..., which is a decent throw-back to mid-90's supernatural harem shows without the sleazyness of more modern variations. School-Live is an interesting anime with a great twist.
Blood Blockade Battlefront is a really great series from this past seasons, I would recommend it without reservation.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 27th July 2015
Wait.... "supernatural harem"? That sounds like something Penny Arcade would coin.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 27th July 2015
Remember Tenchi Muyo? Basically like that.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 27th July 2015
I remember that show, but where's the "harem" part of it?
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 27th July 2015
One guy, lots of girls. Tenchi Muyo was more of a love triangle, though, but it's still pretty much just an early archetype for that genre, similar to other series like Ah! My Goddess and Ranma 1/2. Actually, I Am... is much more like those older shows than newer harem series.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 27th July 2015
Oh... that's a weird take on it. I just thought of it as "wacky sci fi adventures" with a cast of misfit guests that just kept growing around him. I mean, he never seemed to act like he was a great lord over some harem. Usually, he just seemed put out. Now, his parents, if I remember right, that's another matter.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 27th July 2015
Quote:Usually, he just seemed put out.
That's...pretty much every male lead of a harem anime series, though. So much so that a harem anime series with an assertive lead would garner a lot of attention just because of that one difference. Regardless, the point of most harem anime is to take a generic male character that the show's audience can easily use as a cypher and then surround that male character with lots of female characters who always want to be around him, even if they're not all considered serious love interests.
Anime Thread - 2012 - A Black Falcon - 27th July 2015
Tecnhi Muyo isn't just A harem show, it is pretty much THE protypical harem action show. I can't think of any before it nearly as important to what the genre has become.
As for why it's a harem show, all the girls like the guy. Harem animes on TV rarely have any ACTUAL relationships -- those are for the porn VNs or whatever. Harem animes are about a guy surrounded by girls (or a girl surrounded by guys, for "reverese-harem" shows for a female otaku audience). The point is to have a variety of characters, each fitting into the usual stereotypes, so that the audience can choose who they like the most and buy character merchandise and the like. :P Just like Tenchi, many harem animes refuse to ever actually pick a canon couple -- non-endings which resolve little are more common. If you actually say which girl (or guy) 'wins', then the story ends and the people who liked the other characters might be upset...
Dark Jaguar Wrote:Oh... that's a weird take on it. I just thought of it as "wacky sci fi adventures" with a cast of misfit guests that just kept growing around him. I mean, he never seemed to act like he was a great lord over some harem. Usually, he just seemed put out. Now, his parents, if I remember right, that's another matter.If the guy actually was "lording over the harem" then it'd probably just be some porn thing; TV animes don't do that kind of thing unless they create a situation where while the guy wants a harem he can't or won't actually act on it with anyone because TV anime almost never has actual sex or relationships in it. So the guy is a perv and claims he wants a harem... but is actually a nice guy and doesn't REALLY want to do anything with most of the girls for now, or what have you. You need some kind of contrived situation (or series of situations) to keep any actual relationship from forming, pretty much ever. This doesn't apply to everything of course, but it's very common stuff, stupid as it is.
As for reverse harem shows, from what I've see they're somewhat similar to the ones with male leads just with the gender ratio the other way around and such, just with more of the guys saving the MC girl; Japan is sexist of course, so in male-lead shows the guy saves the girls... and in female-lead shows the guys save the girl. Blah.
Dark Jaguar Wrote:I'm sorry ABF, but most of this anime looks like utter garbage.Most anime is pretty dumb, yeah. I can't argue with that.
Quote:Is there ANYTHING creative being made there any more?Like many things, but probably worse than some, anime is a field that relies heavily on regurgitating stereotypes in minutely different ways.
Quote:Also, I just hate this trend in "comedy" wherein the male protagonist accidentally falls on a female lead's breasts. Is that even a joke, outside Benny Hill? What's the joke? They all seem to otherwise reuse the exact same tired old joke playbook. American cartoons are guilty of the same thing, but at least that's just intellectually offensive. This is offensive to basically anyone who's ever actually talked to another human being in their lives. Not to mention there's some huge values corruption going on. Every time some character says "take responsibility", they're using it WRONG! It's usually something like "innocent child of someone I hate, learn to take responsibility for actions you have no control over, for which I hate you", and the protagonist NEVER CALLS THEM OUT ON IT, and even APOLOGIZES. Is this a thing in Japanese culture? I can't imagine it is, because Studio Ghibli movies never seem to do this.Once a thing becomes common in anime, lots of animes will repeat it because tossing back common themes is a good way to get viewers, or something. I agree that some of those usual anime jokes aren't particularly funny.
One thing that's worth remembering is that most anime is made for the otaku audience in Japan. The animes air late at night or early in the morning, and the DVD/BD sets sell for high prices with few episodes per disc. Sales are not high, but they're just enough to keep the industry going. Most animes are not actually popular, stuff like Ghibli movies aside; manga is more popular in Japan than anime by far.
Quote:Your descriptions basically say all I need to know, and that's "I'll stick with studio Ghibli".That's unfair, not all of the anime is bad! Sure, I do find plenty of mediocre or bad stuff entertaining (and others not), but it's not ALL bad or I wouldn't watch it. For the most obvious example, anyone who liked Urusei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2, or Inuyasha definitely should watch Kyoukai no Rinne, because it's by the same author and just like those shows is great stuff. :)
Great Rumbler Wrote:It's been well-documented that ABF will watch, and occasionally enjoy, even the most base anime, so it really shouldn't come as a surprise that a non-anime fan would look at what he's watching and wonder if all anime is merely a wasteland of karp.I wouldn't say THE most base, there are plenty of really awful garbage I don't watch, but sure, I enjoy bad animes sometimes when they're a kind of show I like.
Quote:As for the other part of your post, Wagnaria [season 3], Seiyu's Life, and Non Non Biyori [season 2] are both good comedies that aren't reliant on sexual humor. Gatchman Crowds [season 2] and Rokka - Braves of the Six Flowers and good scifi and fantasy series, respectively. Then there's Actually, I Am..., which is a decent throw-back to mid-90's supernatural harem shows without the sleazyness of more modern variations. School-Live is an interesting anime with a great twist.I haven't watched any of these. :p
Blood Blockade Battlefront is a really great series from this past seasons, I would recommend it without reservation.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 28th July 2015
Quote:I haven't watched any of these.
EXACTLY
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 28th July 2015
I can't imagine someone making porn of an anime. The hair gel alone would easily destroy the paltry "budget" a porn studio has! I mean, I trust you and I'm sure it exists, it just must look absolutely ridiculous. Nothing beats the E.T. pornos though (yes they exist, and yes there's more than one, and yes the makeup is as nightmarish as you imagine, only watch the review). .... Pizza delivery from SPAAACE!
Thing is, I never knew I was supposed to be "picking a winner" (Jacob vs Edward style) in Tenchi. I really thought it was an odd couple situation but with a LOT more annoying house guests. A comedy with occasional action, that is. If an entire genre exists that takes the "guy surrounded by girls" angle and runs it into the ground, that seems... icky...
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 28th July 2015
Quote:I can't imagine someone making porn of an anime.
But it happens, and more often than you'd think.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 28th July 2015
Indeed, I trust you. The fact that there's actually a Super Mario Bros. porno out there (which, like that other Mario movie, decided Koopa needed to be a human) shows that they'll make porn out of any popular trend.
Anime Thread - 2012 - A Black Falcon - 28th July 2015
Great Rumbler Wrote:EXACTLY... Oh, sorry, School-Live is Gakkou Gurashi? I didn't know its English name. I haven't watched the anime, but have read all of the translated manga chapters in that series (it's not finished, or at least the translation sure isn't). It is really good, but is incredibly tense and depressing... there's no way they aren't all doomed... so yeah, I don't know if I want to suffer through the anime version or not. I probably will watch it later on though, if it's as great as the manga. I mean, I don't like zombie anything much, but the manga series is great despite that (it does depressing tension so, SO well!), some big plot holes aside.
As for the others though, I've heard of most of them, but haven't paid much attention to them. Gatchaman... isn't that some giant-robot or hero thing? I don't care at all about that genre, never watch that stuff. My tastes in anime are clearly different from yours. As for Non Non Biyori... I'm sure it's okay, but any seinen series about a group of elementary school girls makes me worried... like, 'when's the creepy fanservice appear?'... And Seiyuu's Life, that's this season or something yes? I thought about watch it, but wasn't sure if it'd be interesting or not. I don't really know about the rest of those. As for the rest, I've heard some of the names but don't really know anything about them offhand.
Dark Jaguar Wrote:I can't imagine someone making porn of an anime. The hair gel alone would easily destroy the paltry "budget" a porn studio has! I mean, I trust you and I'm sure it exists, it just must look absolutely ridiculous. Nothing beats the E.T. pornos though (yes they exist, and yes there's more than one, and yes the makeup is as nightmarish as you imagine, only watch the review). .... Pizza delivery from SPAAACE!Heh... I'm sure porn based on anime exists, though I wouldn't know myself, I don't look for such things. I mostly meant hentai (adult) visual novels there, not actual live-action porn. Mangas, light novels (short books for junior readers with illustrations [and, often, overlong titles and writing as bad or worse than mangas], and visual novels are the major sources for animes which are adapted from some other media, as opposed to an original story. When an adult VN gets made into an anime, the adult content (sex scenes and such) are almost always removed to fit the TV audience. I have little interest in VNs so I don't know how those are personally, I've never read/played (whatever the right term) an adult VN, but I do watch some of the animes (loosely) based on them.
Quote:Thing is, I never knew I was supposed to be "picking a winner" (Jacob vs Edward style) in Tenchi. I really thought it was an odd couple situation but with a LOT more annoying house guests. A comedy with occasional action, that is. If an entire genre exists that takes the "guy surrounded by girls" angle and runs it into the ground, that seems... icky...Yeah, it's a genre, and a quite popular one as far as anime genres go. There are multiple harem shows every anime season.
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 28th July 2015
Quote:Gatchaman... isn't that some giant-robot or hero thing? I don't care at all about that genre, never watch that stuff
It's about a group of transforming heroes who team up with aliens to make Japan a better place to live by using social media. And it's headed up by one of the most visually creative director's currently working in TV anime: Kenji Nakamura.
Anime Thread - 2012 - A Black Falcon - 28th July 2015
Great Rumbler Wrote:It's about a group of transforming heroes who team up with aliens to make Japan a better place to live by using social media. And it's headed up by one of the most visually creative director's currently working in TV anime: Kenji Nakamura.
Yeah, you lost me at 'transforming heroes'. I've never liked those shows. I had zero interest in Power Rangers in the '90s, for instance...
Anime Thread - 2012 - Great Rumbler - 28th July 2015
Your dismissing Gatchaman Crowds based on what is a completely wrong assessment. It's not a show about fighting a new monster every week, it's a show about social consciousness and the ability to affect positive change through collective action, and the idea that social media doesn't have to be just a "distraction" from the real world but a means of actually bringing people together to do something good.
Anime Thread - 2012 - A Black Falcon - 29th July 2015
Oh, you did notice my edit about Gakkou Gurashi/School Live, yes? Anyway, as for Gatchaman Crowds, I don't know, I don't know if that sounds interesting either...
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 30th July 2015
Anime Thread - 2012 - A Black Falcon - 6th June 2016
Anime Thread - 2012 - Dark Jaguar - 8th June 2016
I think the names of those movies alone tell me everything I need to know. I read the first sentence of the second one, and yep, don't want any part of whatever sexist shenanigans are going on here.
I don't see Studio Ghibli naming any of their movies something like that.
Anime Thread - 2012 - A Black Falcon - 8th June 2016
Dark Jaguar Wrote:I think the names of those movies alone tell me everything I need to know.What, that they're spinoffs of previously existing properties?
Quote:I read the first sentence of the second one, and yep, don't want any part of whatever sexist shenanigans are going on here.It's actually better than the title of the original light novel series, which is "Miniskirt Space Pirates"... yeah, not great. The anime title 'bodacious" is better than that at least.
I don't see Studio Ghibli naming any of their movies something like that.
But actually, while these are animes about girls made for a probably mostly male audience, neither of these shows, not in their TV series or in these movie followups, are super-fanservicey affairs. There are zero pantyshots in either of these movies, and no bath scenes either. There is one scene in the Space Pirates movie that is a bit fanservicey, but that's nothing compared to what is in a lot of animes. The movie also has the maid cafe make an appearance and has a giant robot, though, so yeah, it's anime.
But Girls und Panzer, it has nothing at all as far as traditional fanservice of the cast goes. That fits with the tone of the original anime -- yes, it's about highschool girls, but it's not oversexed schlock. GuP's "fanservice" is for tank fans, not people who want to see scantily clad anime girls -- it's an action and character series, not a fanservice one.
So yeah, while Bodacious Space Pirates does have a couple of fanservicey elements that is not a major focus of the series, and Girls und Panzer really doesn't have any.