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3DS buffet - Dark Jaguar - 19th January 2011 http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/19/3ds-features-only-one-friend-code/ So it seems the 3DS will have ONE friend code across all games. About time! It's a solid step and a good foundation to build on for catching up to XBox Live, but there's still a long way to go. Also, some sort of auto discovery is in there. That's nice. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/19/nintendo-3ds-price-release-date/ Wow... Wow.... That's... expensive. Really, $250? That's most certainly the most expensive system Nintendo's ever sold, and it's a portable. Granted, it appears this is a very powerful system, but it's in the range of the Wii, not the 360, so it's a little shocking. The 3D screen could also play a part there, as would miniaturization, but still, that's a lot. Considering the battery power is the lowest of any of Nintendo's portables (about 2-5 hours), what I'm getting from this is a total reversal of Nintendo's own long-standing policies for portable systems (that is, they should be cheap, and energy efficient). It's coming out in a few months anyway. They've already "run through" the current production of DS-i systems, and don't intend to make any more (that thing really did just end up being a stop-gap system). I can only understand this as a result of Nintendo further copying Apple's strategy, that is the part I hoped they wouldn't notice, that Apple can "get away" with charging insane amounts for it's own portable devices and people fork it over by the handful. They also copied the "simple and intuitive" interface, but unfortunately fail at function people expect from modern systems. I'm wondering if I shouldn't hold off here until they either lower the price or release the "new and improved" version with far superior battery life, but missing something else like the power switch or something (it's a Nintendo product, they always must taketh away something whenever they upgrade a product). Really though, the only other portables I can think of that got away with a price this high... all failed. I mean, this one WON'T because it's Nintendo's, but still... Let's see... Sega Nomad... That 32 bit Lynx thing... PSPGo (:D, seriously, Sony were morons thinking a stripped down PSP could sell for more than a proper one). 3DS buffet - Great Rumbler - 19th January 2011 It's the same price as the Wii at launch. 3DS buffet - EdenMaster - 19th January 2011 Great Rumbler Wrote:It's the same price as the Wii at launch. And the PSP. 3DS buffet - A Black Falcon - 19th January 2011 Quote:Wow... Wow.... That's... expensive. Really, $250? That's most certainly the most expensive system Nintendo's ever sold, and it's a portable. Granted, it appears this is a very powerful system, but it's in the range of the Wii, not the 360, so it's a little shocking. The 3D screen could also play a part there, as would miniaturization, but still, that's a lot. Considering the battery power is the lowest of any of Nintendo's portables (about 2-5 hours), what I'm getting from this is a total reversal of Nintendo's own long-standing policies for portable systems (that is, they should be cheap, and energy efficient). It's coming out in a few months anyway. They've already "run through" the current production of DS-i systems, and don't intend to make any more (that thing really did just end up being a stop-gap system). You're right, in terms of power, battery life, and price, I agree that the 3DS is a reversal of almost all precedent for Nintendo portables. The whole concept from the beginning was cheap, low power, and long battery life, with lots of good games. Now only the last of those is there. Will this be a problem? Well, likely not in the end, but the price will probably slow adaptation, yes, compared to if it was cheaper like previous Nintendo handhelds. On the other hand, rumors had put the price at perhaps as much as $300, so at least it's cheaper than it could have been. As for the battery life, it's quite unfortunate, but it's probably just a result of the fact that battery technology hasn't nearly kept pace with computer power. Battery technology doesn't have anything like Moore's Law constantly pushing advances forward. Perhaps there'll be some big advance in batteries in the future, but we don't have it now. On that note, if the PSP 2 is anywhere near as powerful as rumored -- that is, much more powerful than 3DS -- and the current PSP and PSP Go get battery life around what the 3DS will, I have to really wonder how awful that thing's battery life will be... Oh yeah, and at least these systems have rechargeable batteries. Even the Lynx and Nomad, with their perhaps 2 or 3 hour battery lives on 6 AAs (2-3 or 3-4 or something for Lynx model 1 and 5-6 for model 2, or something like that?), or the Game Gear with 6-7 hours on 6 AAs, wouldn't be nearly as bad if they were rechargeable, with modern rechargeable battery technology. Of course that battery tech was too expensive or didn't exist back then (that at least has improved), but really, the problem with those systems was as much the cost of having to constantly buy batteries as it was the very short battery life. (The original brick Game Boy, for the record, has the best battery life of any Nintendo handheld at (35-)40 hours on 4 AAs.) 3DS buffet - Dark Jaguar - 19th January 2011 GR, it's no point comparing console and portable prices. We expect that. As for the PSP, well, it was the PSP. There's a reason it couldn't keep up with the DS. I waited until a price drop, which came pretty fast. Now the thing's a much more affordable $150, except for the PSPGo. As for the PSP2, those rumors are coming from developers who Sony directly told would have a system as powerful as the PS3. Sony often blusters about that sort of thing, but still, it could be a big deal. ABF, as for power concerns, yes, battery tech just hasn't kept up. Physics is standing in the way. There's a bare minimum power you can "store" without it being dangerous. Even Moore's Law is nearing it's end, as we bump into smaller scales where physics prevents it from shrinking further. Right now, portable devices depend not on improving battery power but on improving power efficiency in things like the incredibly popular (in portables) ARM processor, chosen above all else for it's low power demands. I'm sure that the second model will be far more efficient thanks to better and more consolidated designs. Trust this, just about every company that bothers with power supplies at all are R&Ding up some sort of amazing new battery tech. There's a race, especially with modern devices being as power hungry as they are, to come up with SOMETHING because whoever does it first will be raking in billions. However, physics ya know? How does it work? 3DS buffet - A Black Falcon - 21st January 2011 Quote:As for the PSP, well, it was the PSP. There's a reason it couldn't keep up with the DS. I waited until a price drop, which came pretty fast. Now the thing's a much more affordable $150, except for the PSPGo. $150 for a six year old handheld system which hasn't had a pricedrop in years is affordable, now? I don't think so. Sony has obviously decided to just leave it at its current price even though it's completely fallen apart outside of Japan, but that doesn't meant that the current price makes sense, it doesn't. Quote:As for the PSP2, those rumors are coming from developers who Sony directly told would have a system as powerful as the PS3. Sony often blusters about that sort of thing, but still, it could be a big deal. True, you're right that Sony always over-states system power. Still, it'll surely be very powerful, and that means likely a short battery life. With the 3DS for instance even though "3-5 hours" is the battery life estimate, evidently turning off the 3D and wi-fi (with the slider and switch on the case) will have a significant impact on battery life, it's much better with them off. With the PSP2... yeah we'll see. Quote:Trust this, just about every company that bothers with power supplies at all are R&Ding up some sort of amazing new battery tech. There's a race, especially with modern devices being as power hungry as they are, to come up with SOMETHING because whoever does it first will be raking in billions. However, physics ya know? How does it work?True, but there hasn't been much success yet... 3DS buffet - Dark Jaguar - 22nd January 2011 My point was that while we don't have any huge breakthroughs in battery tech, it isn't for lack of trying. And, there have been numerous SMALL breakthroughs. Over time, those add up. It's similar to how people whine about scientists not finding "the cure for cancer", as though it's just some single cure waiting to be put into a pill, even though over the decades countless small advances in treating it have been successfully developed, to the point where today's cancer treatment is massively better than it was 50 years ago. Computer advancement is incredible, but I think it spoils us to the speed every other field advances at to the point people don't recognize that they ARE still advancing. 3DS buffet - Dark Jaguar - 25th January 2011 Good news everyone! http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/nintendo-confirms-3ds-content-locked-to-single-system-no-transfers.ars ...Nintendo really needs to get on the ball fixing this nonsense. Both Sony and MS allow content to be transfered to new systems, even if their methods are a little convoluted. It's a problem with their Wii, in the case that anyone ever decides to buy a new one rather than ship their old Wii in for repair. Nintendo currently has NO methods in place to handle transferring content between systems, and that's a failure on their part. This is especially true considering the almost inevitable release of an improved version of the 3DS down the road All things considering, it's a really good thing I never got a DSi and bought content for that. I'd be unable to sell it without losing downloaded games forever. I have to ask. What is the point of linking your system ID to your Nintendo Fun Club ID if it won't actually help you with this sort of thing? It's one thing to have lackluster online support, that's just a failure to catch up to the others. This goes beyond that to a failure to actually serve your customers. 3DS buffet - Dark Jaguar - 25th January 2011 http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/built-in-software So as it turns out, on their main web page Nintendo DOES have a system in place after all. This is good to know. It'll have limitations, but I'm okay with that. During the lifetime of the system I'll likely only have one big upgrade that'll require me to move things, and AFTER the lifetime of the system, I'll just hack the thing (hacking is inevitable, and Nintendo's security is notoriously weak). Now then, if only they could work that into the Wii. I'm still baffled that certain save files (as determined by the developer of the game in question) are locked and can't be moved. Why would you be worried about someone copying SAVE FILES of all things? It was a dumb decision on the Gamecube, and it's a dumb decision on the Wii. In other news, how hilarious is it that Nintendo's strict refusal to use anything but cartridges for their portables has paid off so well in the long run, now that their 3DS cards have storage in the same range as DVDs? Mind you, the PSP2 will probably use mini-bluray, but it's still pretty impressive. Hmm... the PSP2... Will it even have a disk slot? Will they ditch UMD support on that system, and will it even be able to play PSP1 games? Lots of questions there... 3DS buffet - A Black Falcon - 25th January 2011 PSP2.. current rumors say "really powerful", 3G support (but not for phonecalls, just for gaming and downloads and stuff), OLED touchscreen on the front, touch panel on the back, and an unknown but probably quite high price. We'll see which of them are true. Also, yeah, the 3DS will probably have some way of copying stuff over from a DSi, supposedly. That's good, that is something Nintendo hasn't supported before as you say. We'll see though, could go either way evidently as that article you linked says... 3DS buffet - A Black Falcon - 27th January 2011 Quote:Umezu: What eats more electricity than anything in a handheld gaming device is the LCD backlight.From http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/1/0 Estimate from GAF, using those percentages: Quote:Reposted from the Iwata Asks thread: Also: Quote:Iwata: The first thing (Nobuo) Nagai-san10, who's in charge at the Uji plant, said to me when he looked over the designs for Nintendo 3DS before mass production began was "This time it's fully packed right from the start." |