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Wikileaks insanity... - Dark Jaguar - 12th December 2010
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Ron Paul gets it right here. The US has NO "State Secrets" act, and never has, and thus revealing them can't be considered treason. That's not least because to be treason you have to BE a US Citizen.
Really though, when it gets right down to it, people demanding the execution of some internet guy are just rattling their sabres just to be heard, just to get people excited, then he, of course, WON'T be executed (one guy wouldn't stop it anyway, wikileaks is more than just one person), only promising more sabre rattling in the future whenever they want to seem "tough on crime" (nonexistent though it may be).
Wikileaks insanity... - Sacred Jellybean - 12th December 2010
I don't agree with everything he says, but everything in that video is dead on. I'm glad to have someone like Ron Paul in congress, and I hope his son isn't swayed into lockstep with the Republican agenda.
Wikileaks insanity... - A Black Falcon - 12th December 2010
Yeah, I often disagree greatly with Ron Paul, but on this issue I agree with everything he said in the video.
Has Wikileaks done anything illegal? I'm not sure, really. Maybe, maybe not. The people releasing stuff to them have, surely, and they encourage people to give them that stuff. It's possible that the excuses Visa, Amazon, etc. have used to drop Wikileaks -- that they violate the terms of service that say 'no illegal activity' -- are actually valid. Oh yeah, and Julian Assange doesn't seem like a very nice person... But still, the reaction has been incredibly disproportionate, no question about that, and the free speech implications of trying to crush them are troubling; as Ron Paul said, Wikileaks didn't get that stuff itself, it just published stuff sent to it.
Wikileaks insanity... - Dark Jaguar - 14th December 2010
Well this has already been tested in the courts. A newspaper can't be held to be violating the law if it releases information shared to it by military workers, even if those military workers were violating oaths to give it to the newspaper.
As for that adorable "anonymous" bunch...
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Wikileaks insanity... - alien space marine - 22nd December 2010
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Another shocking revelation, is that Julian Assange prior to surrendering to the police, Is reported to have claimed to be in the possession of leaked classified data concerning UFO's and extra-terrestrials long withheld by the U.S and UK governments.
Wikileaks insanity... - A Black Falcon - 22nd December 2010
Dark Jaguar Wrote:Well this has already been tested in the courts. A newspaper can't be held to be violating the law if it releases information shared to it by military workers, even if those military workers were violating oaths to give it to the newspaper.
Yeah, indeed. They're looking for something to charge him with, but he's done nothing illegal so there shouldn't be anything they can do, and if they do charge him with something I certainly hope he's acquitted unless they come up with evidence that he's guilty of some real crime (such as the charges in Sweden, that could go either way it seems to me, but are entirely unrelated to Wikileaks releasing anything). Assange has a right to freedom of speech, and has a right to release these things if someone leaks them to him.
That doesn't mean I like him or his agenda, though. As I said I don't like Assange very much as a person; from all the things I've read he's very controlling, either you do things his way in the Wikileaks organization or you're out. He also has a very definite anti-American agenda; this isn't like the Pentagon Papers, which were leaked in the name of knowing the truth and freedom of information, but something leaked by someone with a stated anti-American agenda, or at least an anti American foreign policy agenda. That difference does matter.
Wikileaks insanity... - Fittisize - 22nd December 2010
Quote:He also has a very definite anti-American agenda; this isn't like the Pentagon Papers, which were leaked in the name of knowing the truth and freedom of information, but something leaked by someone with a stated anti-American agenda, or at least an anti American foreign policy agenda. That difference does matter.
No, it doesn't matter. Most of what I've read about Assange has been exactly what you just said about the Pentagon Papers: that he's about protecting freedom of information and transparency. Anti-Americanness isn't an issue here and isn't relevant to the principle behind WikiLeaks. Somehow I get the feeling that such an understanding of Assange has something to do with the perverse belief that concepts like upholding the protection of freedom of speech and exposing the government are inherently "American" in some way. I guess what I'm saying is that if an American was responsible for WikiLeaks maybe you'd have a different take on it. Or maybe not, but anti-Americanness or harbouring an "anti American foreign policy agenda" (which can be safely argued the Pentagon mole did have in relation to Vietnam, along with lots and lots of people around the world, including a bunch in America!) is a non-issue.
And I don't like him either, not one bit - the creepy sex fiend part of his personality definitely makes him pretty impossible to like. If he's guilty of rape then he should obviously be in jail. But it's not really about Assange.