![]() |
The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Printable Version +- Tendo City (https://www.tendocity.net) +-- Forum: Tendo City: Metropolitan District (https://www.tendocity.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +--- Forum: Tendo City (https://www.tendocity.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=42) +--- Thread: The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) (/showthread.php?tid=603) Pages:
1
2
|
The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/metalgearworkingtitle/news_6026058.html Quote: Konami has announced that the official title for the GameCube Metal Gear game is Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes and that it's currently in development at Silicon Knights, the development team behind Eternal Darkness. The game will feature revamped graphics, but it will contain the original Metal Gear Solid storyline. Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes is being developed under the supervision of Hideo Kojima and Shigeru Miyamoto. http://www.planetgamecube.com/previews.cfm?action=profile&id=249 Quote:Metal Gear has been always proven to be a hot property. Essentially selling the PS2 before it was even released, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty had captured the hype and the imagination of people years before it was even playable. On the original PlayStation, Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action was considered a powerful killer app and was a hit with both critics and gamers. Combining compelling gameplay, an interesting plot coupled with professional voice-acting, and cinematic cutscenes, the game was an instant hit among PSX owners. Many Nintendo fans wished for the same action, but they were never offered a comparable experience on the N64. ![]() ![]() ![]() Wow... now THAT is surprising. Silicon Knights is remaking MGS... The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 1st May 2003 ![]() I was too lazy to even skim the article... this isn't a remake of MGS for PSX, is it? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 1st May 2003 Oh... it IS a remake. Suddenly, I find myself caring less. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 But its Silicon Knights... :) The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 This is so awesome! MGS1 with a graphics engine better than MGS2! Aren't you all happy that this isn't MGS KiDz or MGS2: Substance??!!! Oh and I really must give credit to Games Are Fun for breaking this story last December. These guys keep on getting 'em. MGS, Earthbound 0, everything. Do you trust them now DJ?? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Nintendarse - 1st May 2003 Some people at GAF are going to be very upset... ![]() But for all of us that loved Eternal Darkness, this is great news. Silicon Knights is a really smart group of people that puts everything into its products. It'll be cool to see them adapt to a game that really emphasizes something completely different from Eternal Darkness. I loved Eternal Darkness, but it's presentation, animation, and action were not it's strengths. These are the very things that MGS has traditionally shined in. I'm really looking forward to this remake. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Why would they be upset?? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 1st May 2003 Yes, it's cool that it's Silicon Knights. It would have been cooler if the game were Silent Hill. Oh well, I guess this is good for Nintendo's image. If this game has cool extra features, I *might* pick it up. I'll admit that although the game hardly sparks my interest, I'm still eager to see what it looks like in motion. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 What's wrong with remakes when they are better graphically and improved in other ways over the original? Especially on a new platform... The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Geez, this is incredible news and only two of us are excited?? What's wrong with you people! The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 1st May 2003 It's a game that I've been playing for about 2 years now on my PSX. I'd be more excited if I were fanatical about the game, but I'm not, so this doesn't excite me. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Good grief. What did you expect? MGS3, GC-exclusive? You people have to have more realistic expectations. The bottom line is that the Gamecube is getting an exclusive MGS game! Not even MS got an exclusive MGS game. They just got a port of MGS2. We're getting a major remake of MGS1! This could very well be much better than MGS2. You should be celebrating, not complaining! The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Geez, read this interview from February. Look at what Dyack said! The man pretty much confirmed a MGS remake and nobody caught it!! Hahaha!! Quote:If you look at games that I personally find very appealing, like Metal Gear Solid, they have huge amounts of flash and they've got the content as well. So I think that's the direction we're going to go in next time. That's hilarious! That sly bastard! The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Great Rumbler - 1st May 2003 Hahaha!! I remember reading that quote and I would never have thought that was what he meant!! I am very excited about this remake! Sure, it is a remake of an older game, but so was RE on the GC and it was way different from the PSX version. Also, I really liked MGS2. If they combine the gameplay of the past two MGS games with there great storytelling as in ED this could turn out to be a very awesome game. I've got faith in you Dennis!! The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Also, this is SK's first time making a MGS game so why not start by remaking the PSX one? It also means that they don't have to spend as much time on it as they would if it were 100% original. And we really want to see Too Human as soon as possible, right? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 I don't have MGS, and haven't played it much, and this version is going to be quite different anyway... Oh, it it'll be great to see what SK does with it... ED was amazing, but very, very different from MGS... The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Judging by the title "Twin Snakes" and the artwork from the game(showing both brothers next to each other) I bet you'll be able to play both sides of the story, i.e. Snake's side and Liquid's side. That would kick ass. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 And how cool would it be if they were to make a cel-shading style that looked a lot like Shinkawa's incredible art? Imagine this in 3D: ![]() It would be incredibly difficult to pull off, but maybe they could do it... The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Dark Jaguar - 1st May 2003 Now this is very interesting... A remake done in the style of REbirth for the cube of a game I love. I'm gonna enjoy this. Hmm, the people who made that sanity game remaking a game that messed with your mind anyway. Well, checked IGN's article and a few quotes are interesting. Seems Miyamoto's ideas seem to match Kojima's ideas pretty perfectly. That's not a surprise given they both have always thought great games can tell a great story. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Great Rumbler - 1st May 2003 Quote:Originally posted by OB1 I don't know...I think they should just stick with realistic graphics instead of doing something radical like that. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 Uhh... did we need that picture for the 3rd time in the same thread? :) Oh, and I agree -- keep it realistic looking. I doubt it could be done as well celshaded... The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 But it would be so cool! MGS2 is a very bland-looking game, and making it even more realistic may not be a good thing. Add some style to the game! Cel-shading does not equal cartoony, people. If they were to successfully recreate the incredible concept art from the game in 3D then it would be very mature, serious, and just plain incredible-looking. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Great Rumbler - 1st May 2003 Quote:Originally posted by OB1 I just don't think they could make the cel-shading good enough for the way you want. But, yeah, it would be pretty cool IF they could do it. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 It would be unique, that's for sure... but I'd still rather see it realistic looking. Since I don't think they could do it on the level you want... and anyway, they almost certainly won't... And improving the graphics is one big thing they'll be doing... Oh, and yeah, that name does seem to imply 'multiple playable characters'. Should be interesting... The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 I said it would be great if they could pull it off. If not then forget about it. But it would certainly look a lot better than the regular bland MGS look. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 Bland? Sure MGS2 doesn't have topnotch graphics but they aren't THAT bad... and this one should have much better graphics anyway. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 I'm talking about the characters and environments. The whole look of the game is very plain. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Dark Jaguar - 1st May 2003 I wouldn't say the characters look plain, but I must agree with you that the environments looked plain. It was just nothing but yellowish big shell for most of the game, and it didn't change until later. Fortunatly that area looked pretty cool. However, MGS had a much more diverse appearence overall. You went from a burning furnace to an icy tundra and such. If they added some jungle area somewhere, you'd have the 3 stereotypical video game regions! With that in mind, and the added power of the GCN, this should look like a good game. Let's just hope it doesn't end up looking like Eternal Darkness. That game looked "good enough" sure, and a few of the environments actually looked very nice indeed, but the characters just don't look nearly as good as the characters in MGS2. However, I wholy suspect Silicon Knights will indeed improove their skills and find all sorts of better techniques to really make this game shine. Oh, and yes, cel-shading like that WOULD look great, but this game's style has already been decided with it's first release. Save this type of style for a later MG game. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Quote:Oh, and yes, cel-shading like that WOULD look great, but this game's style has already been decided with it's first release. Save this type of style for a later MG game. What is that supposed to mean? Just because MGS1 didn't use cel-shading (which is impossible on a PSX, btw) doesn't mean that the remake has to be the same. And as you know, ED was originally a 64 game so that's why it doesn't look great on the Gamecube. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Nintendarse - 1st May 2003 I have to admit that an MGS that could do cel-shading on that scale would really impress me. And it might look fresh enough (and beautiful enough) to catch he eye of MGS fans. However, I think it would be foolish to encorporate cel-shading into every major franchise. That would ruin the whole idea of cel-shading: giving a fresh and unique graphic style. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 That's like saying that there are too many bump-mapped games out there. Cel-shading is simply a different way of texturing, and developers have barely scratched the surface of what is possible with this technology. Sure right now it seems like a gimmick what with all of the crappy cel-shaded third-party games flooding the market, but if SK could pull off that amazing MGS artwork in three dimensions using cel-shading then I would be in heaven. I doubt it'll happen, but it's nice to dream about. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 1st May 2003 Quote:Also, this is SK's first time making a MGS game so why not start by remaking the PSX one? It also means that they don't have to spend as much time on it as they would if it were 100% original. And we really want to see Too Human as soon as possible, right? What? How does making a MGS remake ensure Too Human coming out sooner? Do you mean, "and we really want to see a SK game out as soon as possible"? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Great Rumbler - 1st May 2003 I think he's saying that if they were making a full-blown sequel instead of a remake it would take them longer to finish making Too Human. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Laser Link - 1st May 2003 ![]() The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Great Rumbler - 1st May 2003 ![]() :D The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Wha? I can't see anything in LL's post. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 1st May 2003 Ahh, I get it... [code] XS. 0 .: 7 . , M X XMMZ. . SMMMMMZ ,MM8,S8MMMBr. ; :iMMMB@WMM WMrZBS;8MM . ; :M S .Z i . .: XM B 8MiWMMMMMMa M,MM.72:2X MMB8M@X WM:X.M BB :WM8XMXM0WXa 87 XX ;a2 MB SM B@MMi i0MMM2S M a i2M , . a7 MMMMMMMMMM2@ ;,:.,:MMM;M@@7W8 ra ,ZMMMMMM ZZ 88MM8aB7i 0 ,XZZ;:Z ,MWBMMM :MMMrM0 ,2; ;M MBMMMX@ :: Z i M@2 :X MWMX2 i i8Z0WMBMMMMZMMMWaMMMM2MMM@MM8 MWrMi,MM2. ;i .MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMaMMMMa22Si 8M: MMMMMMXiZ:M87Z2,XMM M.M Mi7@MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM0 M7MM@MMMMMMM MM@MMMM,2 M .X0a. 7;@rSXSMMMMW2a:Z MMW iSM2 77M WZr7 220WB@@@;MMMM@MW@MMMWM@M; MSWa8BMaMM@MMMMMMMM0.S 2BM :X M i: .MMMMMa a078MMMM WrZMMM;a SMMSMMMWMWWMMMMMMWMMMMBW0@@MMMM7 @@MMMM SMMMM@MMMW. WMMX70MMMS MZXS Z8MMZBWWMMM .,8X; :;B B rM 7M2MaMMM7BMMMMWMBB@MMMMMM@B 7MX MMM00@,aMMWMM@MMWX7MMMWM Ma@M2 MMMMM@M@@M7; ;2@@;:i, :,W;XM@iZMMMS r@MM XMMMM0ZWMMMMM@W0WBMWMZZM MM@W8MMMaMiWMM@MMMMMMMMM2 7 MMWMMM: XBM :M ,22r: BXX ,7 @; WMMM r.BMM MMMMMMMMMMMMM@MMMMMMMMMZ M@MM8MMM Z8M@ZMMMMMMMMMM MM W0Z ZMMBZWM i r 7M7r7ZMM:rM22X i 0SXMM:MMMMMMM 0ZM@MMMMMMB@BM@M MMM@MMMMMMMMMXMMMMMMMMM8.M M8 aZZMMM Br : iaMMS ZWir S,i WMa08ZM WMM7ZW MMMM@MZMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMB MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMWMMMMM MM r MrM@22 MMM 2 BMMMX M BBM:: M MMMW S ZMMMr XBMM7:WMMWMMMMW:MMMMWMMB MMMMM :MMMMMMMMMMMBX X ::M ; 8iXM2MM: 2 a 2 B S.MMM ;MSrW M2i, ia r. ; MMMMMMMMMMX8MMMMMM :M;:7 :r77X 288MaSWa, . MMMMrM MMMMM M7MMMMM 27 SMMMMM2rX; M0 Mi: @MMMMMMM a@:a X MX .MMMMM:SS @BMMMMa8MMM MMMMS7aa;7i MM 0M . Ma8MM8 8W iW.:r: Mr M0 M 7MBBM 0MM M W .MMMSX8M@7a X S7 S2B: S SMW i ,,,. M; MZSXB XMMMiirMX 7 XrZM:.. @MMMMMMZ2; MZ SX; MWBMSM@ .. M WMMM ZMMMMSM8BMZ . MMMMMW,ZM MMMM MM MMaMXMM@MSXSZZZa r 8M BMM22 :MMMBMMMS8M aMW MMMW .MMM8 MMSMMS MXM, W SM0M@S2MZ.M :Z;MMX XM8ar M. M . 2MMMMMi aMMr ZMMr MMM M MB@MMrMMMMB2 ;,;7 MMM0 0M, .MMMMMMB.7 MX2r ZMMMMMMM . MM2. XMM 7MM SMM MM8MM2MMMMM0Mr7XX MZMMMi MX @r7;X0:ir:M2BB: M@2 8M: .. i Mri:r MMM WM@X,7M8aSBM MMMM i7S72MM MM MMMir2X7Br;7rBM@0 M :; 7MMBiir8:7 , MMMMMMMMMMMM SMMM XXX7:MM.@Mr MrZi:;SaZZM,@ SMMBM M ,,,, aMMMS .BW; : r MMM 02SMW0 MMZ,rXXX.MMMMX BX;iXSS880 M X2MWB8 M .,.,ir B WMMa Z:S X M@M WSrM :@Ma ....a ZM7r28Mr880 XM MMM0MZ M ra..,7i ZMM0 r7M WMM ,X;M. M@XMMMMM0M :78 2Ma:SBa.ZMM rBMX 80M .. M iMM:S2M8 XMM M MMXMMMMX2; ;WM MSZ88.0@MMM ZM8 B0BM: ..2 B 2MM7S70 :i,: ;MZMSr WMX MMZBMMMB 0MMMMMM :MZ . 0@M7 i rMX:;SX MM MMMM, :M0 ;0 BMZ@MMW:iMMMMMMM 0Mi MMM, ,@MM W@i7SM M ZMM7, MM ;X . , MMMaM;.MMM0@MM 8W. , MM 8MMMr :W;77M Wi MMMa MM XM W X X MMB0B B 0MMM8M WM .:. ; rMMMM rM rrM XW MMi MMa :M 0,2 MMMMM ,MMMMr MW ., 8M,iSi MMMM0M7rrM 8M; 0MMMMSZM rM;XM2aM WMM Z , 0i@@X; iM@MM8.;rM 0M XMMMMMar M.MMMMaMM M 0M0.rMM@ MMMMMM880MM .iM MM0 MiZMMi ;;MMMMMMM,. aM . MMMMMMMWMMM@Z@MM2WXZ MMM M7..2M XX M MMMMa2 ; iMMMMMWMMM BMMMMM, rMM M8: ,M.2@ MiMBMWM S MMMMMMBMM@MMM M M8MM2@MM8r iBMM W ,MMMM8BBMMM M 2Z MB @MMMX; r, . MMMM0BMMMM M .Z,MM 0MMWM B MM X rZ2@Z22a Z, WM W;WM ZMMMM X2BM :MMMMM0WB@ M M B WM ZaMMM ;MM WMMMMMMM@2M: MMM@ Mi , M@ S.BM MM @MMMM70 ,; MMMB M MMM; r;rM rMM M. MM i0 M ;M2M. ;M M M M M0X M@M2 S.,M rM M0 MMM MWMS Z M. Sr MBa MWMW Z : 2BZ0B MX MS7 MMM M M Xa @a iX ; iM : B;7M a M 7 SWB70MMMM8: MMa :M M0Ma;M XB M0 :BZa8Xra2r MMMMMS@MM ;2 7M@S8MB [/code] The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 Ha, that's really cool. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 1st May 2003 Hmm... so now that pic's here 5 times. Really needed! Oh, and that text-picture is cool... how do you do it? Does a program make them, or must it be done by hand? As for cel shading while it COULD look good I'd just rather see it done in a (better looking) realistic style. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 1st May 2003 That's because you hate anything artistic. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Private Hudson - 2nd May 2003 Good news. What's the bet that it sells like shit, and therefore giving Konami less incentive to make more games (particularly MGS) on the GCN? Quote:(which is impossible on a PSX, btw) Isn't Fear Effect (PSX) creditted as the first ever game to use Cel-Shading? ![]() ![]() ![]() The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Dark Jaguar - 2nd May 2003 A while back, like a year back, during the Shiggy phase I think, someone posted a link to a program that would turn any image into ascii via some algorythm. You had to adjust some stuff to get a decent image or you just wouldn't be able to see the shape correctly. It is likely what was used to make that. Yeah, I know OB1, but I'd just like the "solid" saga of Metal Gear to have the same visual style is all. When the next MG series comes out (if that poster on the wall of that cubicle in MGS2 is any clue, it'll be Metal Gear... dang I forget what it was called but it sounded cool), then maybe they should go for that style. Then again, you yourself stated that it's too ambicious just yet to try to make something that looks like the artwork. In fact, I suggest waiting until the next generation before even trying it. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 2nd May 2003 Yeah, I remember that program... that's why I was asking... And I don't see why wanting it to be good looking realistic style means I hate art. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Sacred Jellybean - 2nd May 2003 Hudson: that looks like cel-shading indeed, but do you notice that the shading on that girl's face is identical in all of the pictures? Perhaps those are colored polygons creating that effect, but it doesn't look like it's true shading, where it changes depending on where the character is compared to the light. And yep, I used the same program that geoboy posted during the Shiggy craze. :) I couldn't render that from scratch if I tried. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 2nd May 2003 Oy, don't you know what cel-shading is, Hudson? Simply giving a model some flat textures ala Fear Effect does not make it cel-shaded. The textures have to move, always look a certain way when facing the camera so that it always has the appearance of a 2D cartoon. Anf ABF, you really do seem to hate a lot of games that use a very artistic visual style. Are you really a robot? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 2nd May 2003 Like what? What kind of games are you talking about? The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - Darunia - 2nd May 2003 Both Futurama and Family Guy use cell shading, I realized the other night. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 2nd May 2003 ABF: Like Wind Waker, ICO... and some other stuff. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - A Black Falcon - 2nd May 2003 Uhhh... Ico? I've never said anything about it -- good or bad. I just haven't really played it -- not something I can do anything about. The Official Twin Snakes Thread (screens inside) - OB1 - 2nd May 2003 Yeah I know. But they use this great sketch-like cel-shading style for the characters that looks very different from most cel-shaded games. |