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I was afraid of this. - Geno - 8th December 2009 Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120804388.html?hpid=topnews Senate tentatively agrees to remove public option Wrote:Senate may drop public option I was afraid of this. - Weltall - 8th December 2009 Quote:And private insurance companies would face stringent new regulations, including a requirement that they spend at least 90 cents of every dollar they collect in premiums on medical services for their customers. This is actually not a bad idea. There's no talk about how to control the base costs, though, and that's really the fundamental problem. The reason the industry is so precarious, and the reason why some people won't be covered, is because the cost of doing business is greatly inflated. I'd actually almost support a public option if I had any confidence that it would break the hegemony instead of supplanting it. I was afraid of this. - Geno - 8th December 2009 Not that it's below the government to screw the people over, but I would actually confide in the government sooner than I would an insurance company just because the insurance company has more to gain by screwing its clients over. The public option seems to work well in other countries (not that every country with universal healthcare is doing well, but France has the best healthcare system of all time, OF ALL TIME, lol Kanye). But as long as there's regulation (evil government regulation, HISSSSS, government r 2 big!) to prevent private insurance companies from taking advantage of people, then I guess it's okay... for now. 90% is pretty effing huge; can't knock that. I'm surprised the abortion amendment was kept in the healthcare bill; it didn't survive the House of Representatives' version of the bill. I was afraid of this. - A Black Falcon - 8th December 2009 Weltall Wrote:This is actually not a bad idea. If we don't have one, there's no chance of that at all really... but if we do, there is. Of course public healthcare isn't perfect, but it's far, far better than having Wall Street expectations decide who gets coverage and who doesn't... I was afraid of this. - Weltall - 8th December 2009 Quote:Not that it's below the government to screw the people over, but I would actually confide in the government sooner than I would an insurance company just because the insurance company has more to gain by screwing its clients over. I do not share your optimism on that particular subject. I was afraid of this. - Dark Jaguar - 9th December 2009 I say wall street and the invisible hand of the market should be the basis for our fire departments. I mean honestly fire departments are run TERRIBLY and nothing, NOTHING, runs things better than markets. A public version of fire protection has made it literally illegal to get private protection, which is why I can't install sprinklers or smoke alarms. The market is god, it is all powerful and all knowing in all things and question it at your peril. I HAVE SPOKEN! And I'll speak some more. Police departments need to be privatized! What can answer the public need more? Private security firms, or these public money waste projects we call the "long arm of the law"? Just look at every big business and you'll see they hired PRIVATE service instead of the public option! That should tell you what the market decided! And hey, let's just look at what else the market decided. Every year billions are spent on so called "quack" medicine like magnet therapy, color therapy, homeopathy, and all sorts of bizarre diets like the chocolate diet. Yeah yeah, scientists say that all of these have no basis in reality, but again, the MARKET has spoken and declared with it's infinite wisdom that people value these things, and value is the same thing as quality! I was afraid of this. - A Black Falcon - 9th December 2009 Sounds like a good idea to me DJ, health care has worked so well as a for-profit business that we definitely should move on to those others as well! I mean, doesn't everyone want to bring back those days when fire companies were private businesses and only put out fires in houses that were paying them money? "We won't put out the fire in your house until you sign this contract first!" ... Yeah, great idea! Oh, and if you're at risk for fire in some way, good luck getting any such insurance, nobody will sell you any... I was afraid of this. - Weltall - 9th December 2009 I didn't realize that the federal government controlled fire and police. I must have also been mistaken when I hear about underfunded, underequipped and corrupt police and fire departments that rely strongly on unpaid volunteers and private donations to remain in operation. I was afraid of this. - Geno - 9th December 2009 So you're insinuating that we should privatize the fire and police departments? Don't let DJ's sarcasm give you serious ideas! They're not perfect, certainly, but would paying for them really make them better? I should think not. I was afraid of this. - Weltall - 10th December 2009 I think I'm suggesting more that the federal government, as often as not, can't effectively manage a Yahtzee scorecard. But, perhaps,a state-level health care operation may not end up being the bloated, corruption-riddled monster that it already is, and that distant federal oversight could certainly make worse. I was afraid of this. - Geno - 10th December 2009 I certainly wouldn't mind if the "public healthcare option" were regulated on a state level (that probably would be better as the federal government consists of people from different regions with different leanings and different interests for their own states and can therefore barely get squat done) as long as the federal government requires that every state have some sort of public option program, or at least a program for regulating private insurance companies. How the program is regulated would be up to the states, but no person should be left uninsured, regardless of income or pre-existing medical conditions. That's the main objective of this healthcare reform plan. |