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Former ESRB rater says revamp system - alien space marine - 6th March 2008
link to gamespot article
Allow raters to actually play the game
create T-16 and T-13 ratings
Make M rating 18+ instead of 17+
Get rid of AO given that most developers would rather edit a game then let it go to AO , given that some retailers wont even carry it.
How would you do it?
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Great Rumbler - 7th March 2008
G, PG, PG-13, R.
There. I fixed the ESRB.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Dark Jaguar - 7th March 2008
Heck, I don't even see the need for "PG-13". To this day I have no idea what the difference is between saying "parental guidance suggested" and "parental guidance suggested for people somewhere around the age of 13, or whatever the 13 means".
I mean which one is the higher rating? Is it PG then PG-13, as in one's for everyone under 18 and the other is only for people over 13 and under 18, or is it the other way around, as in the 13 is only for people under 13 and the other is for everyone under 18? No one knows! By that I mean I'm sure the movie raters know, but I've asked numerous parenty types and they don't have a clue. They take it synonemously, and in my personal experience, both ratings seem to have the same content anyway.
Even TV ratings are a little bit much.
General Audience, Parental Guidance, Restricted. That's it.
Oh, it would help if they STRAIGHTENED UP THOSE LETTERS. Those slants make them look "cool", and thus someone might think it's a feature and not a rating. At least they got rid of the weird dot pattern.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Great Rumbler - 7th March 2008
What are you on about, DJ?
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Dark Jaguar - 7th March 2008
I was talking about ratings. Weren't you?
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - alien space marine - 7th March 2008
PG -13 came into existence because of the Indiana Jones temple of doom scandal in 1984? were people came expecting a family movie but were shocked by a scene of graphic human sacrifice.
So by having it PG-13 it tells parent thats its not appropriate for prepubescents; That is their logic.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Dark Jaguar - 7th March 2008
I don't remember any big scandel like that.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - A Black Falcon - 7th March 2008
It did happen, though.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Great Rumbler - 7th March 2008
Quote:both ratings seem to have the same content anyway.
Ice Age and Austin Power are the same, content-wise?
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - A Black Falcon - 7th March 2008
Anyway, those changes would probably be good... the AO thing for instance. When no console manufacturers allow AO games and no stores carry AO PC games, why have the rating at all? Games that would prospectively use it probably instead just don't bother with a formal rating, I imagine...
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - alien space marine - 7th March 2008
Dark Jaguar Wrote:I don't remember any big scandel like that.
wikipedia or IMDB
Red Dawn was the first film to receive the PG13 rating
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Dark Jaguar - 7th March 2008
Isn't Ice Age rated G?
I dunno. Which one is "worse", PG or PG-13? Bear in mind I'll completely forget the order tomorrow, and that's my point.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Great Rumbler - 7th March 2008
Quote:Isn't Ice Age rated G?
No.
Quote:I dunno. Which one is "worse", PG or PG-13? Bear in mind I'll completely forget the order tomorrow, and that's my point.
How can anyone in this day and age not not know the difference between PG and PG-13 simply based on the types of movies they watch that have those respective ratings? It's completely and utterly mind-boggling. I know I sometimes say that when I'm actually being sarcast and facetious, but I'm being literal this time. You actually have me dumbfounded that you don't know what the difference between PG and PG-13 and, even beyond that, think that a PG and PG-13 movie have the same content.
Here's how Kids-in-Mind.com breaks down Ice Age 2 and Austin Powers 3, a PG movie and a PG-13 movie, respectively.
Ice Age 2:
Sex and Nudity = 1/10 [Essentially nothing or very minor at worst]
Violence and Gore = 4/10 [Fairly mild, but not mild enough for G audiences]
Language = 2/10 [Very minor]
Austin Powers 3:
Sex and Nudity = 6/10 [No real nudity, but lots of revealing clothes and sex-related jokes]
Violence and Gore = 4/10 [Mild violence, mostly slap-stick]
Language = 6/10 [Quite a few curse words are tossed around, but it isn't non-stop are the worst ones are mostly missing]
It's really not that hard to understand.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - lazyfatbum - 7th March 2008
All content should be allowed in any way under any form without conceptions or regulations. It makes no sense to say such and such group isn't "allowed" to see it. People should never be limited regardless of age. Trauma cant be generated by a TV show, a video game or a movie. It can make an impact, it can offer new perspective and it can entertain but its not going to land you an emotional disorder, a good film is no different than conversation with friends or a ride at Disney.
People are fucking retarded. I'm so sick of things having to be dumbed down so that it falls within an average especially in these terms where everything is skewed.
*confetti*
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - lazyfatbum - 7th March 2008
Just so you know the only thing that specifically lands an R rating is the word "Fuck". Say it once, even in a Pixar movie and you just got yourself an R rating. It's stupid.
It also ruins the film in may ways, if it were a serious film. For example lets say we have Suzy going to the movies and she sees some films up on the board to go see and she gets interested in one and sees its rating, its an R and says 'rape foul language etc' and lets say Suzy is deathly afraid of rape or was raped. Well in the movie you see a character deal with rape, endure it, live through it and cope, how this character got through that situation hell it might even help Suzy if at the very least to spark discussion with her friends and family about it but now that you said THIS MOVIE HAS TEH RAPES she's going to avoid the experience. Its like someone about to sit down and read Moby Dick and there's a warning on the first page that says "WHALE DOESNT EXIST" I cant freaking stand it.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Dark Jaguar - 7th March 2008
You seem to have things confused GR. You confuse me not knowing which is the "worse" rating, PG or PG-13, with not knowing the difference in content of movies that have those ratings. The thing is, I have no idea what movies are rated what, so no, I am not saying I can't tell the difference between Austin Powers and Ice Age. That's ridiculous and a straw man, and I am getting SO SICK of you doing that ALL THE TIME. You do it on purpose don't you? There, I said it.
I'm just saying I don't know what the ratings themselves mean. So okay, PG-13 is worse than PG? Yeah I thought that, then someone said it was the other way around.
Yeah lazy I'd be against legal restrictions on movies and stuff too. We're just talking about ratings though, the means of letting people know what's in there. Yeah it's not perfect and really it's kinda messed up pretty often.
Oh well.
You still watch what you want, and others avoid it. Oh well.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Great Rumbler - 8th March 2008
Quote:I'm just saying I don't know what the ratings themselves mean. So okay, PG-13 is worse than PG?
PG-13 was specifically created because it was decided that the gap between PG and R was too broad, so they inserted PG-13 as a middle ground.
G = Virtually no unsuitable content, All ages.
PG = Some mild content, might be innapropriate for the youngest audiences.
PG-13 = Even more unsuitable content, not for ages under 13.
R = Lots of unsuitable content, not for ages under 17.
To give some perspective to that in the 80's, I'll use two movies as example: Beastmaster and Temple of Doom, both PG movies. Beastmaster showed a woman nude from the waist up in a bathing scene and Temple of Doom featured human sacrifice and scenes of violent, bloody death. Neither met the requirements for an R-rating, at the time, so there was only one place left to go: PG. So that's what they got.
Of course, this gives us something of a problem. Either we can lower the R-rating, so that those movies recieve the highest rating a wide-available title generally gets. Or we can somehow change up G and PG so that the difference between the two becomes wider. The problem with that is that G means virtually no unsuitable content, so there's a lot of movies that it simply can't hold and still mean anything. So G has to stay where it is. Now we're left in exactly the same spot. You can't change R because that messes everything up and you can't change G because its where it needs to be.
This is where PG-13 comes along. It allows PG to hold movies that didn't quite meet the G requirement and catch movies that go well beyond that but didn't quite meet the R requirement.
And now you know.
Quote:Yeah I thought that, then someone said it was the other way around.
Well, that person is wrong.
Quote:The thing is, I have no idea what movies are rated what, so no, I am not saying I can't tell the difference between Austin Powers and Ice Age.
You said that you didn't know what PG and PG-13 meant and that you thought they were exactly the same. Now you know that they are not.
Quote:Say it once, even in a Pixar movie and you just got yourself an R rating.
Nope. One instance would only get you PG-13 at worst. And that's like saying that its ridiculous that you can't show someone being disembowled in a violent manner in a PG movie. But they only showed it once!! Or saying the same thing about one, single scene of explicit rape. Come on.
There are a lot of things that can land you an R-rating and they run the gamut from language to nudity to violence.
Quote:Well in the movie you see a character deal with rape, endure it, live through it and cope, how this character got through that situation hell it might even help Suzy if at the very least to spark discussion with her friends and family about it but now that you said THIS MOVIE HAS TEH RAPES she's going to avoid the experience.
It's a good thing for Hypothetical-Suzy that the internet exists so she can read about this movie in advance and know whether or not its something that she wants to see.
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - lazyfatbum - 8th March 2008
No one researches movies before seeing them unless their a film fanatic, people see movies almost entirely based on whims, also yes saying fuck once gets you an R rating check it out (unless it's been changed recently).
Former ESRB rater says revamp system - Great Rumbler - 8th March 2008
Quote:also yes saying fuck once gets you an R rating check it out (unless it's been changed recently).
You can get away with it once in PG-13, although it depends somewhat on context.