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Enter, Reloader! - Dark Jaguar - 13th November 2006
Some newbie is cruisin' the forums. Post! We're desperate here!
Enter, Reloader! - Great Rumbler - 14th November 2006
He's not real!!
Enter, Reloader! - TheBiggah - 14th November 2006
Are any of us real?
Enter, Reloader! - TheBiggah - 14th November 2006
...I mean really, are we?
Enter, Reloader! - The Former DMiller - 14th November 2006
That depends. How would you define "real"? Am I real simply because I think I exist, or is there some process that determines whether or not I'm real?
Enter, Reloader! - Dark Jaguar - 14th November 2006
If you are able to think of the question, then DUH.
Stupid philosophy....
Enter, Reloader! - Great Rumbler - 14th November 2006
Quit saying crazy things, figments of my imagination!
Enter, Reloader! - etoven - 14th November 2006
Think of it "Reloader", come on clasic bot name. It's just looking for a thread to drop some pron and then leave for ever.
Enter, Reloader! - Dark Jaguar - 14th November 2006
I am a nihilist. I don't believe in anything!
GR: Well this message board exists at least.
DJ: Well prove it. Shows me an evidence that is the message board exists.
GR: Well, look at it. It's right there.
DJ: Oh rights...
Enter, Reloader! - TheBiggah - 16th November 2006
DJ, you're just a brain sitting in a jar on a table with electrodes that stimulate you into thinking you're actually having experieces...
Enter, Reloader! - Dark Jaguar - 16th November 2006
Evidence? :D
And that's the point. The evidence all points to the existance of a full on reality, and none points to that reality being an illusion. Therefor, until someone feeds me a blue pill or some other evidence otherwise, it's unreasonable to assume otherwise.
Enter, Reloader! - Captain_Rush - 16th November 2006
I know DJ, DJ is awesome...END OF LINE.
Enter, Reloader! - Great Rumbler - 16th November 2006
Actually, there's no proof at all that reality as we [or I] know it exists. Anytime someone presents you with evidence, it could merely be you imagining that someone gave you evidence. Evidence you obtain yourself is based on interaction with the enviroment through nerve impulses, which can be faked. While you dream, it often seems to you that what you are dreaming is real and it is not until you wake up that the realise that it is not [this is not always true].
Therefore: We're all living in the Matrix, man!!
Enter, Reloader! - Dark Jaguar - 16th November 2006
It "could be" does not equate to "is". Science isn't math, "proof" is what math deals with. That's where you can prove things absolutely (you can't square the circle). Science is, and always has been, tentative. It bases it's conclusion on the best currently available evidence. As such, all evidence points to reality NOT being an illusion. Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence (though not PROOF of absence). We MIGHT be in the matrix, but without any evidence to point to it, there's no reason to think that's the case. This is tentative though, so the moment you show me Neo or an Agent, this will change.
Examples to show my point: We have no absolute proof of gravity. Every instance of something falling could merely be a coincidence, chance happening, or perhaps it was "intelligent falling" to quote the Onion, and invisible fairies drag everything to the ground on their own whims, and without them nothing would ever fall. However, there's no evidence of that being the case. We base our knowledge that gravity exists on these observations and that gravity is the most probable conclusion to reach. Is it perfect? No, but it's the best method humanity has yet developed for finding things out. Further more, if it's true that there are invisible fairies puling everything together but there's no way to tell, that is, they have no effect at all on us in any way and they operate exactly the same as one would expect if gravity was the correct hypothesis, then it really doesnt' matter anyway does it? Might as well live our lives as though there are no fairies. I have an invisible dragon in my car hole. Prove me wrong.
So again, evidence?
Enter, Reloader! - Captain_Rush - 16th November 2006
I concur! *puts a monocle on*
Enter, Reloader! - Great Rumbler - 16th November 2006
By jove! *monocle falls off*
Enter, Reloader! - Dark Jaguar - 16th November 2006
This is my third monocle this week. I simple must stop being so horrified.